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President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.
[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."
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You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:34PM (39 children)
If the United States cannot handle one candidate meeting with people to get information on another candidate, then we're all fucked.
This bullshit use of the law for the purposes of political persecution is extraordinarily un-American.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:40PM
maybe the bootlicking slaves around the country will finally see what kind of traitors work at the FBI. ruby ridge and waco didn't seem to do the trick.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:04PM (35 children)
I care. Opposition research is kinda scummy, but necessary. The dirty work of democracy. When it's paid for by a campaign from their own funds.
When it's done by a foreign intelligence agency with a very recent history of hostile actions against the US. With an implied quid-pro-quo of changing foreign policy goals of the US to protect that foreign government. That's treason. Or a severe hatch act violation if you're generous.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:08PM (14 children)
That makes this a witch hunt.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:14PM (13 children)
I know you're being intellectually dishonest, but mind if I pretend for 1 conversation you're being sincere?
Could you clarify what what word, phrase, or sentence in my post is the "that" which makes "this" a witch hunt?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:46PM (12 children)
And even if you could, it doesn't fucking matter—if it did matter, that would be grounds for tearing down the whole U.S. system and re-building it anew.
You and your ilk are just engaged in a long-term smear campaign for the purposes of politics. How about you come up with better ideas instead? Convince the American electorate to vote for you rather than against Trump.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:47PM (11 children)
This kinda shit is why the most sensible, peaceful solution to our national divide is just mass execution of republicans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:57PM (6 children)
"Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself."
Behold, ladies and gentlemen, the violence inherent in my collocutor's philosophy.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:11PM (5 children)
Ah, obviously contradicting yourself to make a joke, 100% guaranteed to not be understood by right wingers. It's such a weird mental block you guys have.
You can put the words "peacefully" and "mass executions" practically side by side, and they cannot grapple with the idea that it may be in jest.
But the central point that you're pathologically unreachable is still relevant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:17PM (4 children)
Smooth recovery, Mao.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:33PM (2 children)
"Locker room talk"
"Both sides"
"Very good people" (the nazis)
You can try and mimic Trump but his sociopath nonsense only works on dummies like you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:37PM (1 child)
Hypocrisy, much?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:24PM
Trollolol
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:45PM
Reminded of you today I know, it's a weird ass journalist tweet. Click it anyways. [twitter.com].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:03PM (3 children)
Mass execution of democrats would work just as well.
All that's really left to decide in the U.S. is who will be on which side of the barbed wire fences around the death camps.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:38PM (2 children)
FWOOOOOOOSH!
Damn your ear drums must have popped with how fast that thing went over head.
You live in fear and hate, *golf clap* gj gj
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:52PM (1 child)
In an era where an openly anti-white hate monger gets employment at the supposed "newspaper of record" -- and they defend their hiring of her -- then no, I will NOT assume that such a statement is merely a joke.
There are people out there who have openly called for the genocide of white people (George Ciccariello-Maher, at Drexel University). Now you're talking about killing republicans. I don't think you're joking; I think you're trying to hide behind a claim of joking while stating what you really want to happen.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:43PM
"White genocide" is a term made up by american nazis because nobody will fuck them [wikipedia.org] so they aren't making enough babies to keep up with the brown babies.
Its not about killing anyone, its about people like you being so pathetic that you can't get laid.
No wonder it triggers you.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:23PM (8 children)
It came out at the Comey hearing that the fbi initiated an investigation of the Trump due to information paid for by the clinton campaign from russian spys (via fusion gps). So there is known public evidence of collusion between the clinton campaign and russian spys, no public evidence currently for the trump campaign. And to make it worse it looks like the clinton campaign got trolled by the russians as part of it. Along with clicking random links in emails, worthless passwords, etc they are really looking like highly corrupt bumbling fools.
Are you aware of all this? Because its likely these talking points youre getting from somewhere are going to be what gets members of the clinton campaign arrested, if anything. It really is crazy that it seems like this simple trick could actually be real. Just read the actual reports rather than the summaries, I think youre being played.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:37PM
Sorry, Strzok hearing not Comey. It was in like the last 5 minutes, when the FBI suddenly said he could answer questions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:38PM (4 children)
Played by shills who try and scream the sky is green is more like it.
Once again, whataboutism is a terrible method of arguing. Is that all the weak sauce you've got to defend your traitor in chief?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:58PM (3 children)
Yea sure, its whataboutism. Good luck with that line on normal people. If the anti-trump stuff like that i keep seeing everywhere since 2016 isnt some false flag to associate that position with toxic idiocy Ill be really surprised.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (2 children)
Good. I look forward to your discovering the anti-trump stuff that you've been seeing everywhere is in fact toxic idiocy and that no false flags are necessary to reveal that we actually managed to elect the most incompetent President in history.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:59PM (1 child)
Heres what I see happening, the dnc has been tricked into supporting a "getting dirt on political opponents from russians is treason" narrative, so that the legal reasoning can be used to go after the clinton campaign whom has already been publically identified as doing that in a whole slew of documents and interviews. Meanwhile the evidence of the same from the trump campaign seems to still be lacking.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:39AM
You realize Mueller doesn't read this stuff right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:59AM (1 child)
No, it didn't. What came out is that the investigation started when Papadapolous wagged his drunk tongue to an Australian diplomat [nytimes.com] about the russians helping the campaign and that diplomat reported it to the FBI.
The steele dossier had nothing to do with the opening of the investigation - it didn't even exist yet. It was only used as adjunct material for a fisa warrant on carter page, a person that they previously got a warrant on in 2013. [justsecurity.org] And when they did get the dossier-assisted warrant in October 2016, Page was officially off the campaign since at least the previous month. [politico.com]
As for the general question of oppo research being used to justify opening an FBI investigation on a presidential candidate? Tell that HIllary Clinton who was investigated by the FBI largely on the basis of the Bannon/Mercer funded Clinton Cash oppo-research "book." [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @11:50AM
This is just flat out wrong, according to Strzok's testimony. Watch it, look at the actual evidence.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:20PM (10 children)
I care. Opposition research is kinda scummy, but necessary. The dirty work of democracy. When it's paid for by a campaign from their own funds.
You mean, the thing that makes one of them legal and the other illegal?
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:29PM (2 children)
'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:52PM (1 child)
'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.
Yes, information is a "thing of value."
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:39PM
See that is the problem. Most Trumpets don't think information is important or valuable.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (5 children)
And let's be clear here, in the 1990s Clinton's husband did some pretty fucking suspect things vis-a-vis "soft money" with a potential net origin of China. Though I don't think American citizen employees of a multinational corporation based in China should be banned from donating to a campaign, which would have made his acts illegal. Having companies not be allowed to "suggest" their employees donate to PACs would have been better.
Not that it matters anymore with Supreme-Court-Appoved SuperPACs where international money can be funneled through only a trivial amount of laundering to support any fucking candidate. At this point, corruption is basically the rule.
I'm not in the tank for Clinton. She was kinda very shit. It's just that every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it as long as it sticks it to the libs.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:29PM (4 children)
You claim that "every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it". OK...
If you see a US flag flying on a person's house, do you think it more likely that they voted for Clinton or Trump?
Consider the people who put their lives on the line for the USA, joining the military... how do you think they tend to vote?
On the other hand, consider the people who would run this place like Venezuela, with price floors (minimum wage) and price caps (rent control) and other dumb shit that might sound good. Did they vote for Trump?
What about people who would welcome uncivilized savages with a genuine no-joke rape culture? I'm not seeing how this could be the same people who want to build a wall and ban muslims.
Who is it trying to ban free speech? It isn't Trump supporters working at Twitter, Facebook, and Google. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Candice Owens for pointing out the racism of a New York Times editor. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Alex Jones on multiple platforms. Ripping out a person's tongue doesn't win the argument.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:17PM (2 children)
Jesus... If ever there was a prototypical answer for writing up how much Republicans do hate the United States and would betray its values, this post takes the cake.
We've got flag-worshiping idolatry, military-might-makes-America-right, got-mine-fuck-youism, xenophobia as good as any Nazi, and delusions of speech suppression on private platforms while completely ignoring that the President is more than guilty of calls for banning the speeches he doesn't like. [washingtonpost.com]
Thanks for proving the point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:23AM (1 child)
Obviously, I wouldn't pervert the terminology as you did, but those are American values.
It seems you have Scandinavian values, South American values, Commonwealth values, or something vaguely similar. You should move. You'll be happier, except to the extent that you benefit from the American values that you so despise. All of us normal Americans will be happier too, but you can pretend that we miss you and will be much worse off without you.
Seriously, you don't like us, and we don't like you. Pack your things. There are numerous lands that support your political views, but only this one land for us Americans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:14PM
Gosh, somebody needs a hug. Or a cookie. Run along and play, dear, that's a nice little troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:24PM
The FUD is STRONG with this one! Perhaps he is the one to make the (space)force great again!?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:56AM
Likely unconstitutional as even visitors the the United States are permitted the protections of the constitution. But it will likely never see court as they were just talking about their grandkids.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:02PM (1 child)
Looking at this site, with the mod army handing out -1 Troll to the Trump defenders and 5 Informative to the Hillary defenders, that is indeed where we are at.
If you lose at an election, you libel your opponent with everything you can come up with, with all the media and talking heads at your disposal.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:43AM
Hillary defenders? You wackos are so entrenched in the Fox narrative you are imagining boogey men everywhere! I haven't seen a single defense of HRC, though I have seen a lot of whataboutism attacks using her and lots of counters about whataboutism being stupid.
Here we have yet some more insanity from the resident Trump Troll. It isn't OUR fault you're blind and can't see Trump for what he is. Trump Derangement Syndrome was coined so perfectly by you projecting conservitards.