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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the "A-Tale-of-Flodden-Field" dept.

5News reports:

President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.

[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."

also at Vox, MSN and Mic


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:15PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:15PM (#718355)

    For what its worth, a lot of people simply do not understand narcissism and sociopathy. These are related, incurable, mental conditions that exist on a spectrum.

    People with extreme cases of these disorders have a very consistent way of interacting with others - if the truth supports their goals, they speak the truth. If lies will support their goals, then they tell lies. If praising someone will get them what they want, then they praise. If threatening someone will get them what they want, then they threaten. If bribery will get them what they want, then they bribe. If gaslighting will get them what they want, then they will gaslight. All successes are due to their brilliance and hard work, all failures are the result of enemies working to undermine them.

    The one constant is that everything they do and say is in service to themselves, if anyone else benefits from their actions that's just a side-effect (which they will use to "prove" how kind and generous they are.) Their tactics can and will change on a dime as circumstances dictate because the only principle their brains can even conceive of is getting what they want.

    Furthermore, because they operate that way, they expect everyone else to operate that way too. They do not respect, or even understand concepts of altruism, fairness, and morality. Instead they treat them as a weakness to be exploited. One key thing to know is that while they hate to be caught and held accountable they absolutely delight in being caught and getting away with it. For most of them, its actually better to get caught and escape accountability than to have their actions go completely unnoticed. Getting away with their misdeeds in full view of the public is the ultimate power trip, its kind of like a drug for them.

    Dealing with narcissists in your personal life is extremely toxic, and if you don't know about how they operate it can be soul crushing. Even if you do know how they work, its still destructive as hell. Literally the only way to survive someone with NPD is to break off all contact because they are biochemically incapable of changing. If you want to read some first person accounts of people dealing with narcissists, the Raised By Narccissts reddit [reddit.com] has more stories than you could ever read. Be warned though, its nickname is "the saddest place on reddit" for good reason.

    A couple of things commonly associated with NPD:
    Flying Monkeys [wikipedia.org] these are people who buy into the Narc's alternate reality and as a result end up doing their bidding - often times they have NPD themselves, and yes the phenomenon is named after the flying monkeys in the wizard of Oz
    Golden Child [psychology2mind.com] Narc parents usually abuse and scapegoat their children just the way they would any one else, but its common for them to have a favorite who gets the reverse treatment who can do no wrong - they put the golden child up on a pedestal, constantly praise them no matter how undeserving and give them special treatment and privileges that no one else gets. Not only does that damage the other children, it also warps the golden child into having a super-sized ego and delusions of competence.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:46PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:46PM (#718431)

    The Narcissist’s Prayer

    That didn’t happen.

    And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

    And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

    And if it is, that’s not my fault.

    And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

    And if I did…

    You deserved it.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Gaaark on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:02PM

      by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:02PM (#718493) Journal

      In bed.

      --
      --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
    • (Score: 2) by DutchUncle on Wednesday August 22 2018, @07:28PM

      by DutchUncle (5370) on Wednesday August 22 2018, @07:28PM (#724818)

      Today's example:

                President Trump, in his first comments on Michael Cohen's guilty plea, claimed payments to women shouldn’t be a campaign finance issue because “they didn’t come out of the campaign, they came from me."

                Asked if he knew of the payments, he said: “Later on I knew. Later on. But you have to understand, what he did -- and they weren’t taken out of campaign finance, that’s the big thing. That’s a much bigger thing. Did they come out of the campaign? They didn’t come out of the campaign, they came from me. And I tweeted about it. You know, I put -- I don’t know if you know but I tweeted about the payments.

      ((( Hint: No, he was saying all along that he knew nothing, that he made no such deals, that it was all someone else. )))

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DutchUncle on Wednesday August 08 2018, @05:54PM

    by DutchUncle (5370) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @05:54PM (#718881)

    >>> ... because they operate that way, they expect everyone else to operate that way too.

    This applies to many people from many positions. This is why the Old Testament maxim is "Do not do to others what is hateful to yourself", rather than the New Testament version "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." As George Bernard Shaw put it, "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same." But of course, EVEN CONSIDERING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WANT (rather than just what oneself wants) is a widely varying attribute.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:29AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:29AM (#719178) Journal

    For what its worth, a lot of people simply do not understand narcissism and sociopathy.

    Probably because most people have mild cases of these conditions. The conditions inherently limit one's ability to understand others.