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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the "A-Tale-of-Flodden-Field" dept.

5News reports:

President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.

[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."

also at Vox, MSN and Mic


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:20PM (10 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:20PM (#718394) Journal

    I care. Opposition research is kinda scummy, but necessary. The dirty work of democracy. When it's paid for by a campaign from their own funds.

    You mean, the thing that makes one of them legal and the other illegal?

    §30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
    (a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for-

    (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

    (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

    (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

    (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

    (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:29PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:29PM (#718402)

    'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:52PM (1 child)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:52PM (#718418) Journal

      'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.

      Yes, information is a "thing of value."

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:39PM (#718909)

        See that is the problem. Most Trumpets don't think information is important or valuable.

  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (5 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (#718414) Journal

    And let's be clear here, in the 1990s Clinton's husband did some pretty fucking suspect things vis-a-vis "soft money" with a potential net origin of China. Though I don't think American citizen employees of a multinational corporation based in China should be banned from donating to a campaign, which would have made his acts illegal. Having companies not be allowed to "suggest" their employees donate to PACs would have been better.

    Not that it matters anymore with Supreme-Court-Appoved SuperPACs where international money can be funneled through only a trivial amount of laundering to support any fucking candidate. At this point, corruption is basically the rule.

    I'm not in the tank for Clinton. She was kinda very shit. It's just that every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it as long as it sticks it to the libs.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:29PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:29PM (#718428)

      You claim that "every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it". OK...

      If you see a US flag flying on a person's house, do you think it more likely that they voted for Clinton or Trump?

      Consider the people who put their lives on the line for the USA, joining the military... how do you think they tend to vote?

      On the other hand, consider the people who would run this place like Venezuela, with price floors (minimum wage) and price caps (rent control) and other dumb shit that might sound good. Did they vote for Trump?

      What about people who would welcome uncivilized savages with a genuine no-joke rape culture? I'm not seeing how this could be the same people who want to build a wall and ban muslims.

      Who is it trying to ban free speech? It isn't Trump supporters working at Twitter, Facebook, and Google. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Candice Owens for pointing out the racism of a New York Times editor. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Alex Jones on multiple platforms. Ripping out a person's tongue doesn't win the argument.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:17PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:17PM (#718464)

        Jesus... If ever there was a prototypical answer for writing up how much Republicans do hate the United States and would betray its values, this post takes the cake.

        We've got flag-worshiping idolatry, military-might-makes-America-right, got-mine-fuck-youism, xenophobia as good as any Nazi, and delusions of speech suppression on private platforms while completely ignoring that the President is more than guilty of calls for banning the speeches he doesn't like. [washingtonpost.com]

        Thanks for proving the point.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:23AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:23AM (#718626)

          Obviously, I wouldn't pervert the terminology as you did, but those are American values.

          It seems you have Scandinavian values, South American values, Commonwealth values, or something vaguely similar. You should move. You'll be happier, except to the extent that you benefit from the American values that you so despise. All of us normal Americans will be happier too, but you can pretend that we miss you and will be much worse off without you.

          Seriously, you don't like us, and we don't like you. Pack your things. There are numerous lands that support your political views, but only this one land for us Americans.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:14PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:14PM (#718788)

            Gosh, somebody needs a hug. Or a cookie. Run along and play, dear, that's a nice little troll.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:24PM (#718472)

        The FUD is STRONG with this one! Perhaps he is the one to make the (space)force great again!?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:56AM (#718686)

    Likely unconstitutional as even visitors the the United States are permitted the protections of the constitution. But it will likely never see court as they were just talking about their grandkids.