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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the "A-Tale-of-Flodden-Field" dept.

5News reports:

President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.

[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."

also at Vox, MSN and Mic


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (#718412)

    It's scary that we probably have a Class A nutcase in charge.

    Yes, but what's scarier is that we apparently have a bunch of Americans who gleefully buy into his delusions. Scary, indeed.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:04PM (8 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:04PM (#718496) Journal

    What's REALLY scary is that after corruptly stealing resources and funds from Bernie, they still pushed Hillary out as a class act.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:33AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:33AM (#718539)

      2 wrongs don't make a right.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:53AM

        by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:53AM (#718583) Journal

        No: dumping Hillary and going with Bernie would have made it right.

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:36AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:36AM (#718631)

      What's REALLY scary is that after corruptly stealing resources and funds from Bernie, they still pushed Hillary out as a class act.

      Oh shut the fuck up.

      Bernie's campaign hacked the clinton campaign. [wpsdlocal6.com]

      Bernie's campaign manager, Tad Devine, was buds with the same russians as Manafort. Here's a photo of Devine and Konstantin Klimink [usnews.com] the GRU officer assigned to Manafort.

      Under Devine's direction the Sanders Campaign made some 'odd' spending decisions. Among them, they chose to dramatically outspend Hillary in New York despite:

      1) Clinton being a massive, popular favorite in the state
      2) The insanely high media rates for advertising in NY

      It was the most expensive advertising you could buy with the least likely benefit.

      Meaning, whoever planned that media was getting a piece of the action; knew the campaign could afford it; and chose to overspend there to rake in easy commissions on big-ticket spend.

      Advertising heavily in New York didn't help Sanders. He lost NY by 16 pts and 300k votes (a margin larger than around 15 of his primary wins combined).

      The heavy rotation 'dirtied up' Clinton though... which wasn't bad for Trump.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:33AM (2 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:33AM (#718721) Journal

        YOU shut the fuck up. The link at the bottom of your article explains the situation and shows it was Wasserman-Schultz fucking with Bernie's campaign.

        As for your second link, anyone can play that game:
        https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html [nytimes.com]

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:34PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:34PM (#718815)

          The link at the bottom of your article explains the situation and shows it was Wasserman-Schultz fucking with Bernie's campaign.

          Yeah,. that's not what it says.

          As for your second link, anyone can play that game:

          1. Clinton Foundation, not Clinton Campaign
          2. Anyone citing the uranium one is a tool of the gang of putin
          3. If your best defense is "clinton is the same as bernie" that's not actually an argument for bernie

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:53PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:53PM (#719088) Journal

            Yeah, it says exactly that, and
            1.Clinton's are Clinton's, no matter where the money goes it still is a bribe to her.
            2. Don't be a complete asshole.
            3. I say nothing about Hillary being ANYWHERE near as good as Bernie. Again, don't be an asshole.

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    • (Score: 2) by DutchUncle on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:01PM (1 child)

      by DutchUncle (5370) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:01PM (#718887)

      What's really scary is that I know people who wrote in Bernie rather than vote for Hillary against Trump. Maybe that didn't matter in my state, but "making a statement" sometimes makes the statement "I don't know how elections work."

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:14PM (#718892)

        A LOT of what happened with 2016 can be blamed on everybody thinking that Hillary was going to win and thus using her as a punching bag to boost their own bona fides.

        The press thought she was going to win, so they spent 100x more effort chasing that breitbart published "Clinton Cash" propaganda than they did on Trump's 30+ year public record of towering corruption.

        The GOP thought she was going to win so they embraced trump in order to keep the most despicable part of their base voting in down ballot elections.

        The sanders wing thought she was going to win so they were content to let the slurs against her go unchallenged.

        Comey thought she was going to win so he took every opportunity to dunk on her in order to bolster the reputation of the FBI.

        Obama thought she was going to win so his administration didn't do enough to fight putin's attacks.

        But turns out that when everybody just thinks something is going to happen but doesn't work to make it happen, it doesn't actually happen.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:12AM (#718624)

    Yes, but what's scarier is that we apparently have a bunch of Americans who gleefully buy into his delusions. Scary, indeed.

    Trump is not the cause, he is the symptom of a decades long campaign to cultivate those people. When trump goes down, those assholes will still be around and there is a good chance they will be insane with anger at seeing Donald Jesus Trump crucified for his sins.

    But do not be complacent, trump will only be checked if we the people work to check him. The upcoming congressional elections could easily be our last chance to turn away from the brink of permanent authoritarianism. The GOP will never stand up for democracy. Trump's packing the courts with toadies and sycophants who won't hold him accountable either. If we can't fix congress soon, all that will be left is for demonstrations in the streets and if that is what it comes too, many of the protestors will end up dying with jackboots on their necks.