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President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.
[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @09:52PM (11 children)
The Fox viewers would say the exact same thing about the other "mainstream" news oulets -- feeding their viewers lies for decades.
Both are correct. All news organizations in the US are propaganda machines. Which set of dupes they target is the only difference.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:18PM (1 child)
Nah, while the major outlets are definitely propaganda outlets to varying degrees Fox has consistently pushed more FUD than any other network. Fox viewers are the least informed of all news network viewers.
Equivocating does not fit here, and of course Fox viewers would say the same because they are ignorant and fed a steady diet of lies. In this case Fox IS worse than the others by a wide margin.
There simply is no comparison between the cult beliefs of Fox viewers and more liberal viewers. They both get lies and propaganda to varying degrees, but Fox people are much more prone to emotional beliefs that can not be swayed by facts. Facts are just fake news these days when they don't conform to the crazy GOP world view.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:54AM
Don't be blinded by partisanship. When the truth actually serves the GOP agenda they'll certainly make use of it, and they have been. I'm certainly not asking you to take my word for it - just dig down to the bottom of one small section of this Trump/Russia stuff... hell, even stick to mainstream sources! Just get past the headlines, and find the actual meat in the last few paragraphs. You might be (unpleasantly) surprised.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:21PM (7 children)
The Fox viewers would say the exact same thing about the other "mainstream" news oulets -- feeding their viewers lies for decades.
Of course they would claim that without any evidence to back it up.
Viewers of reality-based news would note evidence such as the fact that Fox viewers are able to correctly answer the fewest factual questions about the news. [businessinsider.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:51PM
Obvious reply: "BUT THE OTHER NEWS OUTLETS STILL TELL LIES!"
Yeah no shit a/c no shit, but the scope of the lies and the propaganda tactics make a big distinction.
Fox News is reality based like North Korea is a democracy.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:17AM (2 children)
If I recall correctly, there have been studies showing that regular Fox News actually do worse on those kinds of pop quizzes than people who have not read or watched any news whatsoever. As in, they do worse than random chance or guessing. That's impressive in a twisted sort of way.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:32PM
If I recall correctly, there have been studies showing that regular Fox News actually do worse on those kinds of pop quizzes than people who have not read or watched any news whatsoever. As in, they do worse than random chance or guessing. That's impressive in a twisted sort of way.
Or it might say more about the 'quiz' being given.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday August 09 2018, @04:06AM
"A stopped watch is right twice a day". When the truth actually serves the Trump and/or GOP agenda they certainly won't shrink from using it. Even the deputy head of Obamas FBI has said there's probably no real truth to the Trump/Russia stuff (because there would have been leaks waaay before now). He certainly isn't a Trump supporter, and hoped the Mueller investigation would turn up enough garden variety corruption to impeach, which it most probably will... Both Washington and the average billionaire are neck deep in that kind of thing. I'm no fan of Trump, but the left will be hoisted on its own petard after Trump is out... already Black Lives Matter, the progressive left more generally, and even the anti-intervention right have been called Putin puppets and/or traitors in the media.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:37AM
Last night I watched the documentary "The Brainwashing of My Father" [imdb.com] which added some info to the puzzle for me:
* Roger Ailes was Nixon's tv image consultant
* He was already working on the fox news project in the 70s, his handwritten notes & signature are all over
an anonymous memo that delineated much of fox's tactics, including the phrase "fair and balanced."
* The shift of news reporting from "objective truth" to "balanced" was one of Ailes's goals
because it gives equal weight to bullshit as it does to fact, and he succeeded in reshaping
the way nearly all television news and much print news is reported, its no longer about truth
its only about false balance.
* Endorphins are released in response to anger, raging can be addictive
* Hate radio has a semi-captive audience in commuters (obvious)
(counterpoint: I've heard that NPR is surprisingly popular among truckers,
but NPR doesn't do jack to market to them, major blindspot)
* Clarence Thomas (whose wife has made a career of being a right-wing nut job)
admitted to regularly taping and listening to rush limbaugh's daily 3-hour radio show
in lieu of "the mainstream media"
Also officiated limbaugh's 3rd wedding at his own house in VA
* Scalia admitted to getting most of his news from "talk radio guys" and explicitly not NPR
(but he did not mention limbaugh by name, said he liked former drug czar bill bennett but usually did not catch his show)
* Its possible to deprogram RWNJs, it works almost exactly like deprogramming "traditional" cultists -
show them irrefutable proof that their cult's biggest lies are false and eventually their belief system
will shatter.
But the example in the movie (the "Father") was different - he was only deprogrammed when his wife took control
of his media consumption and switched in other sources, she didn't fully block the RWNJ stuff,
but she started putting unabashedly liberal news in front of the dad (alternet, truthout, mother jones)
I don't see that easily scaling up for most consumers of the million little lies that fox tells.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:46AM (1 child)
Yes, and leftists, progressives, and fellow travelers push socialism without any evidence to back them up. And, in effect, anyone who rejects socialism is alt-right, whether they subscribe to any right wing beliefs or not.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:04AM
There is tons of evidence that socialism works, see every nordic country, where average quality of life is substantially better than in hyper capitalistic USA.
One of the biggest lies that your gods and masters have sold you cultists is that socialism and communism are the same thing. Hell, they literally paid off preachers to sell that shit to their flocks. They held contesst for the best anti-socialism sermons. That's how that anti-semite motherfucker Billy Graham made his way onto the stage. The Garden of Eden, he told a rally in 1952, had been a paradise with “no union dues, no labor leaders, no snakes, no disease.” A Christian worker “would not stoop to take unfair advantage” of his employer by joining a union.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @05:13AM
False equivalence is a tool of fascism. Organizations like fox are fundamentally different from legitimate news organizations. Fox unabashedly pushes propaganda, it does not care about accuracy. Errors are not mistakes, they are deliberate and go uncorrected . Real news organizations actually fire people for that kind of shit [nytimes.com] and then they go on to start their own dark-money funded propaganda outlets [quora.com] and marry up into republican royalty. [msn.com]