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posted by chromas on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:23AM   Printer-friendly
from the put-it-on-the-blockchain dept.

With worn-out clichés about the dead voting, Chicago used to be the poster child for voter fraud. But if any state is a poster child for terrible election practices, it is surely Georgia. Bold claims demand bold evidence, and unfortunately there's plenty; on Monday, McClatchy reported a string of irregularities from the state's primary election in May, including one precinct with a 243-percent turnout.

McClatchy's data comes from a federal lawsuit filed against the state. In addition to the problem in Habersham County's Mud Creek precinct, where it appeared that 276 registered voters managed to cast 670 ballots, the piece describes numerous other issues with both voter registration and electronic voting machines. (In fact it was later corrected to show 3,704 registered voters in the precinct.)

Multiple sworn statements from voters describe how they turned up at their polling stations only to be turned away or directed to other precincts. Even more statements allege incorrect ballots, frozen voting machines, and other issues.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/georgia-defends-voting-system-despite-243-percent-turnout-in-one-precinct/


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday August 09 2018, @02:56AM (12 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday August 09 2018, @02:56AM (#719206)

    1. Georgia has voter ID requirements.
    2. The party that has been in charge of Georgia's government about 15 years is not the party you claim is tolerating fraudulent voting.
    3. None of what you describe remotely resembles the problem described in either the summary or TFA. Instead, the problem is probably related to politicians not knowing the difference between actual computer expertise and some partisan hack's kid who totally knows all about computers.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:24AM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:24AM (#719223)

    First of all, Georgia isn't all that republican. They just elected a senator who hates America and freedom.

    Second of all, Georgia hasn't had time yet to fully put the Shelby County v. Holder decision to use.

    Sadly, even the most conservative places aren't willing to do what it takes to really crack down on fraud. Absentee voting, a huge source of fraud, is too damn popular.

    Here, I'll even throw a bone to the leftists who think conservatives are uncultured by lack of travel: let's require a passport. Give several years of notice, ensuring plenty of time to get that taken care of.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday August 09 2018, @04:56AM (5 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Thursday August 09 2018, @04:56AM (#719263) Journal

      First of all, Georgia isn't all that republican.

      In what bizarro alternate dimension is that statement true?

      • (Score: 2, Redundant) by HiThere on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:52PM (2 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:52PM (#719507) Journal

        It *isn't* that Republican. They used to regularly elect Dixiecrats. This isn't loyalty to a party we're talking about here.

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        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:38PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:38PM (#719599)

          What are you talking about? Three times in the last 55 years Georgia went Democrat on the presidential ticket, and two of those times were when Carter was running. Even during the great landslide election for Lyndon Johnson, Georgia went Republican. And keep in mind that those Dixiecrats are the Republican party after the mass exodus following the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 10 2018, @01:09AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 10 2018, @01:09AM (#719715)

            One senator switched parties. One representative switched parties.

            Fundamentally, the "party switch" concept is false. It's public relations nonsense. Democrats don't want to admit that they have an uninterrupted history that goes back to when they fought against civil rights.

            Tell a lie often enough, and people may believe it. :-(

            The real changes have been minor and weird: Democrats now feel entitled to black votes. Democrats offer addiction to welfare and affirmative action, not independence and respect. (It is racist to presume that blacks are incapable.) Democrats still react with outrage when black people don't act as democrats expect. Just a few days ago, a bunch of democrats formed a threatening mob when they found Candice Owens having breakfast with a white person. A few months back, they were telling Kayne West that he really shouldn't speak up about politics, claiming he was out of place. When wealthy democrats hire housekeepers, they choose illegal aliens over blacks who are American citizens.

            In other words, the typical democrat doesn't actually respect blacks. The situation is more like... some sort of pet or zoo animal with a defect, or maybe a severely retarded child. There is no respect. Democrats, to the extent that they do any good for blacks at all, are just competing with each other to display virtue.

      • (Score: 2) by schad on Tuesday August 14 2018, @06:55PM (1 child)

        by schad (2398) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @06:55PM (#721483)

        I live in Georgia, and it's true. GA went 51% for Trump, 46% for Clinton. Metro Atlanta is pretty strongly Democratic. It seems probable that GA will flip to the Ds in the next 20 years or so.

        Now, with that said, the Republicans in GA are super Republican. This tends to make the state seem more Republican than it actually is, because the craziest possible person tends to get elected by the 51% that will vote for anyone with an (R) after his name.

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday August 14 2018, @11:37PM

          by sjames (2882) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @11:37PM (#721606) Journal

          However, in the presidential race, Ga. has gone red for the last 6 presidents. The only reason Ga. voted for Carter is that he's a native son.

          The Atlanta area is fairly blue but the rest of the state is red, and as you said, the Republicans are VERY Republican.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:24PM (4 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:24PM (#719585)

      Second of all, Georgia hasn't had time yet to fully put the Shelby County v. Holder decision to use.

      Shelby v Holder was decided in 2013. 5 years should be plenty of time for a state government (controlled entirely by Republicans during that period) to respond in any way they so choose.

      Sadly, even the most conservative places aren't willing to do what it takes to really crack down on fraud.

      You just said that the reason there was so much fraud was that the Democrats were tolerating it in order to win elections. Now all of a sudden it's the Republicans, who have put in place the policy you said would eliminate fraud, who are tolerating the fraud. It's impressive mental gymnastics, which tells me that you aren't being honest about your real position here.

      If I had to hazard a guess what your real position is, it probably has something to do with the fact that Shelby legalized state-level voting laws that previous Departments of Justice had declared to be racist in either intent or application. Which suggests that you'd like voting laws that are racist in either intent or application. Which means that when you talk about "fraudulent" votes, what you probably mean is that black people are voting.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:49PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:49PM (#719608)

        The RNC is legally not able to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention:
        https://www.judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975 [judicialview.com]

        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday August 09 2018, @09:03PM (1 child)

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday August 09 2018, @09:03PM (#719618)

          Did you read the case in question? Because if you did, you'd know that what the RNC was doing would have been fine had the RNC been targeted all voters, and the problem was that they were targeting black and Hispanic voters intentionally and exclusively. Had they done the exact same thing statewide or nationwide that they were doing in those cases, there wouldn't have been a problem.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @09:10PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @09:10PM (#719619)

            You "translated" my other post for me totally incorrectly and now in this one you confuse the reason for this legal issue with the consequences of it... are you drunk?

        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Friday August 10 2018, @12:43AM

          by sjames (2882) on Friday August 10 2018, @12:43AM (#719706) Journal

          That's fairly disingenuous. The actual Republicans who have been in office certainly are. And such a fine job they did!