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posted by chromas on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:23AM   Printer-friendly
from the put-it-on-the-blockchain dept.

With worn-out clichés about the dead voting, Chicago used to be the poster child for voter fraud. But if any state is a poster child for terrible election practices, it is surely Georgia. Bold claims demand bold evidence, and unfortunately there's plenty; on Monday, McClatchy reported a string of irregularities from the state's primary election in May, including one precinct with a 243-percent turnout.

McClatchy's data comes from a federal lawsuit filed against the state. In addition to the problem in Habersham County's Mud Creek precinct, where it appeared that 276 registered voters managed to cast 670 ballots, the piece describes numerous other issues with both voter registration and electronic voting machines. (In fact it was later corrected to show 3,704 registered voters in the precinct.)

Multiple sworn statements from voters describe how they turned up at their polling stations only to be turned away or directed to other precincts. Even more statements allege incorrect ballots, frozen voting machines, and other issues.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/georgia-defends-voting-system-despite-243-percent-turnout-in-one-precinct/


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 09 2018, @02:43PM (9 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 09 2018, @02:43PM (#719392)

    John Oliver — the British host of HBO’s Last Week Tonight — focused on voter ID laws during his Sunday show. And it turns out the U.S. does have a voter fraud problem, but it’s not the one that you think.

    Oliver — who is rightfully mystified by the idiosyncrasies of American politics — pointed out that while states have increasingly begun requiring photo IDs to combat voter fraud, voter fraud isn’t actually a problem in elections in the United States. Between 2000 and 2014, for instance, there were only 31 instances of potential voter fraud out of over a billion votes. Yes, 31 out of a billion. But this hasn’t stopped states — specifically, red states — from requiring voter IDs. And why is this? Because the GOP benefits when fewer people vote, so Republican legislators have inflated the threat of voter fraud. Voter IDs are a crazy solution to a problem that doesn’t actually exist, but as Oliver points out, there is one population that commits voter fraud with impunity: lawmakers.

    Unlike Americans in the 18 states that require photo identification to vote in elections, elected officials have no such requirement when voting on legislation. That’s hardly surprising. But what is surprising is that the very people who have written voter ID laws into law are actually guilty of committing voter fraud themselves. Take Debbie Riddle, the representative who filed HB 16, the law requiring government-issued IDs for voters in Texas.

    In 2007, Riddle was caught on tape “ghost voting” for her absent colleagues — basically, reaching across her desk to vote for someone who wasn’t there. Riddle wasn’t alone: A local news investigation found representatives from both parties voting for absent colleagues — often multiple times during a single vote. And although this is a blatant violation of House rules, the investigation found no instance of lawmakers being disciplined for this voter fraud. When asked why this practice was allowed to continue, Speaker of the House Tom Craddick shrugged his shoulders and said it was up to lawmakers to police themselves.

    https://grist.org/politics/john-oliver-explains-how-voter-fraud-is-a-problem-but-only-among-politicians/ [grist.org]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:09PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:09PM (#719406)

    Between 2000 and 2014, for instance, there were only 31 instances of potential voter fraud out of over a billion votes. Yes, 31 out of a billion.

    This is why no one outside the echo chamber takes this stuff seriously and the DNC is losing all appeal to normal people (ie those not politically rabid in a certain way). Obviously they aren't including the undetected cases of voter fraud in these stats... just stop with the fake shit. Why do they keep self destructing like this?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:20PM (7 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:20PM (#719412)

      So you're denying the video evidence of the lawmakers voting for their colleagues who aren't in the chamber?

      The article had more than one point to make.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:27PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @03:27PM (#719418)

        So you're denying the video evidence of the lawmakers voting for their colleagues who aren't in the chamber?

        No, I'm denying that a reasonable person would think that this the extent of the voter fraud. Its like saying we can reduce voter fraud by removing the cameras in the chamber since unknown fraud doesnt make it into the stats.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:03PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:03PM (#719466)

          No, I'm denying that a reasonable person would think that this the extent of the voter fraud.

          Trump's voter fraud commission disbanded without finding any fraud even though they set out to validate the president's claims [npr.org]. FTFA:

          Well, what's remarkable about the documents is what's not in there, and what's not in there is any substantiated evidence of voter misconduct at any scale. In fact, one of the troubling things about the documents that we saw was that before we were even really meeting, commission staff were working on a framework of a report. And several sections of report talk about voter fraud, and those sections are completely blank. They didn't insert any information whatsoever.

          That quote is from someone on the voter fraud commission.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:26PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @05:26PM (#719480)

            What is your point?

            Even if we could interpret the disbanding of some crappy apparently planned-to-be-rigged investigation as a lack of voter fraud (we cant), the john oliver quote does not mention this argument. I just says :

            Yes, 31 out of a billion. But this hasn’t stopped states — specifically, red states — from requiring voter IDs.

            "See, 31 out of a billion is a small number which proves republicans are retarded or lying just like we thought all along." While republicans may very well be retarded or lying, the person making this argument is definitely retarded or lying.

            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by sjames on Friday August 10 2018, @12:52AM

              by sjames (2882) on Friday August 10 2018, @12:52AM (#719708) Journal

              The point is even a commission looking for voter fraud and determined to find it even if it's not there couldn't find anything credible enough even for their intended sham.

        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:43PM (2 children)

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:43PM (#719602)

          No, I'm denying that a reasonable person would think that this the extent of the voter fraud.

          Translation: I have no actual evidence to support my claims about voter fraud, but I know they must be true because my favorite news outlets keep saying it's happening. Said news outlet has no evidence to support their claims either, but since I'm inclined to believe them for reasons which have nothing to do with evidence, I believe them.

          In short, you've been propagandized successfully into believing claims with no evidence whatsoever. And yes, anyone who thinks the end of the Russia investigation will be Donald Trump led from the White House in handcuffs is just as duped as you are.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:53PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09 2018, @08:53PM (#719613)

            No thats not an accurate translation. The actual meaning is quite clear.

            Anyway, like Ive been saying this bs is driving everyone away from the DNC, will be interesting to see what rises in its place.

            • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Friday August 10 2018, @10:53PM

              by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Friday August 10 2018, @10:53PM (#720111)

              No thats not an accurate translation. The actual meaning is quite clear.

              No, it is quite accurate. You have not provided any substantiation to your claims there is widespread voter fraud, other than apparently you "know" there is.