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A long section of the towering Ponte Morandi Bridge completely collapsed in Genoa, Italy, on Tuesday, sending cars and trucks on the A10 highway crashing down below. Dozens of people died in the bridge failure, officials say.
As news emerged from the chaotic scene, the death toll fluctuated several times Tuesday. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said there were 22 dead, according to public broadcaster Rai News. But Italy's ANSA news agency has reported at least 37 people died, citing the fire brigade.
Workers have found bodies and vehicles in the massive amount of wreckage left by the collapse — and at least 11 people have been pulled from the rubble alive, Italian media report.
[...] The disaster struck shortly before noon, when one of the bridge's central pillars collapsed during a violent rainstorm. A witness told ANSA that lightning had struck the bridge before the collapse.
[...] The bridge was built in the late 1960s, at a length of more than 3,600 feet. It had recently been the subject of renovation and repair efforts. Italian roadway company Autostrade says the most recent work included consolidating the viaduct's base — a project that included installing a bridge crane.
Besides the obvious news value of this event, I'd be curious of any civil engineers or structural engineers could comment on the engineering behind such things. What causes these types of crumblings to happen, and exactly how reliable is infrastructure around the world?
(Score: 2, Touché) by isostatic on Thursday August 16 2018, @08:51AM (23 children)
Another one? There was a bridge collapse a couple of days ago in that region too. It was headline news across the world.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Kunasou on Thursday August 16 2018, @08:55AM (3 children)
It's the same bridge collapse.
Sadly, there's another section of the bridge that is in danger of collapse too (this one has several flats below).
(Score: 4, Interesting) by canopic jug on Thursday August 16 2018, @09:36AM (2 children)
Apparently the maintenance was outsourced to a private company [theguardian.com] which seems to have just pocketed the money rather than spend any on maintenance. That is above and beyond the engineering problems
Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @11:53AM
That's Genoacide!
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday August 16 2018, @10:33PM
Methinks a bankrupting lawsuit is necessary: except you won't be able to financially touch those that need to be punished, probably.
Sad what a dollar will do to people that don't really need it.
"If I squeeze this for another dollar by using THIS shit, ...... ....... YAY, I WIN!" and people die. Clever girl.
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(Score: 2, Offtopic) by janrinok on Thursday August 16 2018, @09:23AM (17 children)
But perhaps not in the USA.
We Europeans seem to cover news from the rest of the world in preference to repeating the same old political stories repeatedly.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday August 16 2018, @09:41AM (13 children)
Fox News had a story about General Franco's tomb in Spain. But, you said nobody would be interested. Sub rejected!!! foxnews.com/world/2018/08/05/gen-francisco-franco-is-still-dead-but-entombed-maybe-not-much-longer.html [foxnews.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday August 16 2018, @12:41PM (12 children)
I'm not sure what the connection is between your comment and the story printed above? Or is this comment somehow related to your failed attempt this morning to get an alt-right story published under someone else's nick?
However, you are wrong again. I suggested that you put the Franco story in your journal because it wasn't going to make the front page. There was no STEM angle to the Franco story (there is certainly a STEM angle to a bridge collapsing).
If you submit a decent story on almost anything other than the alt-right, or if you post a new story on a topic related to the alt-right, then your submission will be viewed along with all the others. If you keep submitting stories that are simply critical of the alt-right but provide no new insight then they probably won't be picked up. Stories get rejected when most of the editors have looked at them and declined to publish them. We understand that you are mounting a campaign against the alt-right but this site is not obligated to support you in your endeavour. Have you tried submitting your stories to a site that is more in tune with your own political views?
SN does not support, condone or aid any particular political party or belief.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday August 16 2018, @08:42PM (1 child)
I'm American. And so is Fox News. Well, you said something nasty about Americans. And American News Media. You tried to get a rise out of us. You succeeded, because I answered. I replied. And got down-modded for my trouble. And now you're pretending you don't understand my answer, my reply. I think you understand. It's very very easy to understand. Fox News is American news media. They had a story about Spain. I'm American, I thought it was very interesting. But the Chief Editor here -- you, @janrinok -- turned it down, you said folks here wouldn't be interested. And now you're saying, you think American news doesn't have stories about the rest of the world. And Americans don't want to read them. WRONG! You believe we're not interested in stories about the rest of the world. So you reject our Subs with stories about the rest of the world. So we don't have discussions about those stories. So you don't see anything that goes against your belief that we're not interested. Etc!!! Little circle there.....
About our alt-right, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I'm very fair to our alt-right. Very fair. And my Subs are very fair. I go with Fox News as much as possible, sometimes they're critical, I think they're very fair. You did something VERY STRANGE. You "accepted" 3 of my Subs about our alt-right and alt-left. Thank you. But you didn't run them. In the Subs Queue it said, "merge janrinok" and there were my Subs, 3 different stories in one Sub. The story about the violent protest in California. The story about Antifa pouring water on Charlie Kirk & Candace Owens. And the story about Patriot Prayer's peaceful rally in Portland. Mostly peaceful. You put them all together and it's now erased. Or hidden. And some other Subs I did, you rejected those. With a pathetic excuse of, I'm politically biased. And I use exclamation points. I'm absolutely biased. So are you. And so many biased stories get run -- much much more biased than mine. People don't even try to be fair. I try very hard. I don't put in a lot of my own opinions. And I tell folks about the stories on Fox News, they're very fair. Very balanced. They know there's MANY SIDES to stories. My Subs are the least biased you've ever seen in your entire life.
You keep saying, oh, you don't like politics. You don't like the stories about politics. The people that run the site decided to have stories about politics. Editor @martyb ran one just a little while ago, about our immigration plan. The story about the bridge, obviously very political. You came and tweeted about how Europeans don't want to hear about "the same old political stories." Going back to, I guess, 1967 when they put up the bridge. Well, so many folks are tweeting, "look at these old stories, they said the bridge was VERY UNSAFE." People didn't want to hear the same old political stories. They didn't pay attention to those. And they died (RIP!!!!). And you don't want us to pay attention to our alt-left, our alt-right. Because, I guess, they bore you. Like, up until yesterday, so many folks were bored by old political stories about some old bridge in Genoa. They didn't pay attention to it. And it was a DISASTER for them. For you stuck-up Europeans.
And I don't know what the hell you're talking about, about my Subs from this morning about our alt-right. I didn't make any. Because of your goofy messages and actions. Rejecting my Subs without reading past the headline. We had some wonderful events last weekend with our alt-left and alt-right. We had Unite the Right 2 in Washington -- very peaceful because of our brave Law Enforcement. And a much bigger rally in Bedminster. Where I met Bikers for Trump. Great time, beautiful pictures from that one. But I didn't make Subs for those. Because, big waste of time, I knew you'd reject them. You thought I made Subs this morning -- I didn't -- I guess they're already rejected? You say Subs are rejected "after most of the Editors have looked at them." I doubt that. I doubt that. Because you say they were turned in this morning. And in America it's afternoon, folks are still working very hard, or just getting off work -- more and more folks working here. So I think a lot of the Editors didn't get to see those Subs. And I wonder who rejected them. I don't have Casinos any more. But if I did, I'd bet it was you. You thought they were submitted by me, so you rejected them, am I right? I'm central-right, by the way. Not alt-right. But I think there are some fine people in our alt-right. Bikers for Trump, very fine people. Very tough.
And possibly you're thinking, "oh, he's a politician. If we put his Subs on the website, it helps him out." It does get my name out there, that's true. But you put up A LOT of VERY NEGATIVE stories about me and my Party. Then I say, "what about the 157,000 JOBS?" I did a Sub about the 157,000 new jobs in July. And you rejected that one. Because I put an exclamation point in it. Really pathetic excuse, in my opinion. I did a Sub about how MILLIONS of Americans are getting off Food Stamps, rejected with no message. And I did a Sub about my sanctions against Iran, how they're very positive for our Stock Markets and Oil prices. You rejected that one without reading past the headline. Because I put an exclamation point in the headline. You said that was the reason, that's a very dumb & pathetic reason. The Editors run the negative stories, you reject the positive. And you say you don't support any Party. But the stories that make me & my Party look bad go up. You turn down the positive news about us. And if you think about it, that helps the Dems. Big league!!!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday August 17 2018, @06:45AM
Try looking at these - all posted by me:
Oh gosh - they are all politics! And that is only going back top the beginning of June. You only see what you want to see.
If you wish to be considered as a serious contributor stop acting like a troll. You can't have it both ways. Use one of your other nicks.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday August 16 2018, @10:37PM (9 children)
Yeah, pretty much a Who Cares story.
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(Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Friday August 17 2018, @12:45AM (8 children)
I made the Sub about "Saudi Arabia cuts ties with Canada after Canada urges activists' release!" too. Rejected because of Exclamation Point. But, who cares about Justin's shithole Country, right?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday August 17 2018, @02:07AM (7 children)
:)
You're sounding less and less Donald Trump-ish!
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday August 17 2018, @03:08AM (6 children)
I'm still me. But the Witch Hunt has been very tiring for me. And, I didn't write the headline. That's not me. I quoted it from Fox News. Except the Exclamation Point!!!!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday August 17 2018, @06:30AM (5 children)
You submitted 5 stories and, coincidentally, seemed to add an exclamation mark to each title. It was an attempt to exaggerate each story which was unnecessary. Had it been one or even 2 stories I would probably have simply corrected them and they might have made the front page. I left the stories in the submission queue to see if any other editors were interested in working with them. There were no takers. However, all the submissions were political and I decided that we didn't need 5 political stories. You are falling into the same trap as Aristarchus in that you think that this site should publish your own personal agenda. It is not so.
There is no witch hunt. If you wish your stories to be accepted as serious material then perhaps you might consider submitting them under another of your aliases so the the rDT name doesn't make them appear quite so trollish?
Martyb has posted political stories and, if you check, you will see that all editors have. I have released political stories where there is a chance of an intelligent discussion being generated, and I have submitted political stories for other editors to publish should they choose to do so. However, political stories remain only a small part of our output which is openly in favour of stories that have a STEM connection, even though we might sometimes interpret that definition very broadly. The site has chosen to include political stories, but it has not chosen to publish political stories in preference to those that meet the technical bias that the site was created for.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday August 17 2018, @12:40PM (4 children)
"You are falling into the same trap as Aristarchus in that you think that this site should publish your own personal agenda."
That's it! Nail on the head.
That's the words I was looking for.
Now if only Aristarchus would read that.....
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17 2018, @09:39PM (3 children)
Aristarchus fell into a trap? No wonder he has not been submitting of late. But you are wrong, Gaaaaaark. Aristarchus' only agenda was to counter the obvious alt-right libertarian STEM Deep State bias of SN. QAnon reads SoylentNews!!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 18 2018, @09:14AM (2 children)
And, as if by sheer coincidence, the only other nick that users this IP hash is 'Aristarchus'. Hi Ari!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 18 2018, @10:08AM (1 child)
Check your data, JR. You could be mistaken.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 18 2018, @11:21AM
There are only 2 users of this hash, Anonymous Coward and Aristarchus, who last used it on 3 Aug. However, it is a hash and not a unique IP, so there could be a hash collision. Unlikely, but possible.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:29PM
Headline news in Canada, too.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday August 16 2018, @08:58PM (1 child)
To be fair to the AC, they submitted it on the day, it's just soylent's treacle
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday August 16 2018, @10:38PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment [wikipedia.org]
;)
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(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday August 16 2018, @10:16PM
You must be new here. Because the stories, usually, it's not today's news. It's the news from the last week or two.