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posted by martyb on Thursday August 16 2018, @09:57AM   Printer-friendly
from the What-would-Emma-Lazarus-say? dept.

CBS News reports:

The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.

The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.

[...] Though its effects could be far-reaching, the proposal to limit citizenship to immigrants who have not used public assistance does not appear to need congressional approval. As the Clinton administration did in 1999, the Trump administration would be redefining the term "public charge," which first emerged in immigration law in the 1800s in order to shield the U.S. from burdening too many immigrants who could not contribute to society.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday August 16 2018, @02:39PM (10 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Thursday August 16 2018, @02:39PM (#722200)

    So you are asserting that it is economically, politically and socially wise to import a low skilled worker, let some farmer pay them crap wages then give them welfare at public expense to make up the difference between their pay and what it takes to actually live, then pay an American to remain in poverty in some squalid public housing block so they won't take the job either. All so you can pay a few cents less for a salad a Chipotle. Doesn't work that way. Yes the lettuce they buy is cheaper but everybody is paying a crapload more in taxes than the difference.

    Instead leave the Mexican at home to make Mexico Great, put some "pressure" on the multi-generation welfare cases to get the hell out of the Blue Shithole public housing and get in the fields and do a day's labor. This will reduce public expenditures on welfare for both the illegal (yes they get welfare) and the American, drive the American and their children to improve themselves so as to escape such labor and generally help Make America Great Again. Everybody wins except the Democratic Party but I can bear their misfortune with great fortitude.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by G-forze on Thursday August 16 2018, @02:44PM (6 children)

    by G-forze (1276) on Thursday August 16 2018, @02:44PM (#722206)

    And then you can use the difference to buy more bombs for brown people! Halliburton is ever grateful.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @03:15PM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @03:15PM (#722228) Journal

      Brown people. Why is it always brown people? We have demonstrated our willingness to kill red people, white people, yellow people, brown people, or black people. But, all you can remember are the brown people. Find us some green people, and we'll kill 'em. Polka-dotted people. Orange people. Paisley people. We don't give a small damn what color, or pattern, or whatever. Lizard people, zombie people, mutant people - they all bleed if you hurt them.

      Oh wait. You're a racist? Ahhhhh - so the color of the dead guy matters to you? Got it.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:18PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:18PM (#722285) Journal

        Of the 7 military interventions we're currently involved in I'm sure it's just a coincidence that all 7 of them are primarily inhabited by brown people.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:22PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:22PM (#722293) Journal

          Yes, it is a coincidence. What is NOT coincidental is, the presence of black GOLD!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @07:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @07:31PM (#722444)

          Syrians and other mediterranean people are more white or olive than brown. Show me some real brown people we're bombing. The common connection is oil, religion, and politics rather than skin color... You're simplifying things and obfuscating the real problem of the MIC militarying to get funds to pay for more industrying, and the pet politicians that take their money and spin agendas at home.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:23PM (1 child)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:23PM (#722296)

        Find us some green people, and we'll kill 'em. Polka-dotted people. Orange people.

        Well, there's one guy, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:35PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:35PM (#722308) Journal

          You're talking about the orangutan? Why you wanna call him "people"? Sometimes, it's hard to remember that those privileged ones born with a silver spoon in their ass are really people.

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:15PM (2 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:15PM (#722283)

    At the end of that first paragraph I was almost expecting you to conclude that companies should pay their employees better.

    I was blinded by a sudden burst of optimism. Back to business as Republican usual.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:21PM (1 child)

      by jmorris (4844) on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:21PM (#722291)

      Without the government subsidizing them, pay would have to rise. Farm labor is currently priced below the actual market price, remove the government and that would have to seek a price where labor could be attracted. Removing some of the welfare State would push some but prices would have to also pull to rebalance the economy. But that is ok since it it would lower the deficit spending and free up the capital markets and eventually even permit another round of tax cuts. The net economic impact would be positive.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:12PM

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:12PM (#722390)

        The quality of life would also be higher; being a sort of indentured servant / sorta slave / sorta migrant refugee must suck, and using the government to prop up corporate profits to perpetuate that is pretty evil.

        We kinda fought something aroun 1860-1865 over the same issue; sure the easiest thing to do with slaves is to keep them pickin cotton, but at some point no matter how much of a PITA it is for everyone, you gotta upgrade that lifestyle.

        I would not be sad to see the human misery of the migrant farm worker lifestyle go away. Much like the end of slavery in 1865 wasn't a whole lot of fun for anyone, it still kinda needed to be done, and that was the time to do it. We're well past the due date to end migrant farm worker as a job title.

        The memes about the evilness of the "Democratic Party Plantation" go deeper than would first appear. "Suffer forever, so we can lead you"