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posted by martyb on Thursday August 16 2018, @09:57AM   Printer-friendly
from the What-would-Emma-Lazarus-say? dept.

CBS News reports:

The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.

The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.

[...] Though its effects could be far-reaching, the proposal to limit citizenship to immigrants who have not used public assistance does not appear to need congressional approval. As the Clinton administration did in 1999, the Trump administration would be redefining the term "public charge," which first emerged in immigration law in the 1800s in order to shield the U.S. from burdening too many immigrants who could not contribute to society.


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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @03:53PM (12 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @03:53PM (#722267) Journal

    Possibly, using some narrowly defined "contributions", the US may "contribute" less than other member states. But, that $350 million figure? Nonsense. It probably costs that much just to send one destroyer on a STANAVFORLANT mission. In fact - with the cost of fuel, I KNOW it costs that much to run a destroyer for a typical 4 month mission. Ship's fuel economy isn't measured in miles per gallon, after all. It is measured in gallons per minute. If the ship is just sitting, dead in the water, with the boilers burning to produce electricity, the ship is burning 20 gpm, minimum.

    I'm not one bit interested in this narrow definition. A more meaningful measure is how much NATO costs the nation. And, "how much" isn't measured strictly in dollars and cents, either. The US supplies as much as any NATO member nation, in just about any category you wish to choose. People, consumables and expendables, hardware and equipment, high tech and low. In second place, you probably have the UK. I wouldn't even want to guess at who follows in third place.

    You want to step back and regroup, or do you want to double down on that claim?

    BTW - you should have realized by now that I have nothing but contempt for the military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned us, and we ignored him.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:29PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:29PM (#722300)

    Bitches and moans then moves the goal posts when his argument falls apart. What a little bitch.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:44PM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:44PM (#722316) Journal

      NATO costs the US a helluva lot more than any other member state. I repeat - the UK is probably second place, and third place is a very distant third.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:03PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:03PM (#722379)

        Gee, country with the 3rd largest population and -

        Despite the high economic growth rates of developing nations, the United States is by far the world’s wealthiest nation, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP) — the broadest measure of economic wealth.

        The rest of the world doesn’t even come close.

        You are like the rich assholes that want a tax break, please google "how to get a brain transplant" because yours is broken.

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:17PM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:17PM (#722397) Journal

          You've just reminded me of something. Socialism is the ideology of the envious.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:48PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:48PM (#722420)

            May your sins have no end and the hell fire burn twice as hot.

            Triggered boomer is triggered, news at 11.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:54PM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:54PM (#722423) Journal

              ROFLMAO - another Christian fundamentalist finding fault? Alas, my sins will cease when my heart stops beating - just as yours will.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:30PM (3 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:30PM (#722302) Journal

    A more meaningful measure is how much NATO costs the nation.

    You aware that it wasn't NATO that pushed in Iraq during the time of the chimpotus. With the continuation in Afghanistan.
    Nor were the European pushing US to stir the shit in Syria, until ISIS got enough undefended space to cause troubles (with American weapons [wired.com])
    (And certainly the Europeans advised his Orangeness to stop shaking the boat with the Iranians.)

    All of the above dwarf the budget you "sink" in NATO at least two orders of magnitude.
    I'm telling you - trying to improve your finances on the NATO's account is like being worried about the leak in the Titanic captain's toilet after striking that iceberg.

    But anyway, if you want your isolationism, you can pedal on this idea all you want - just don't try to justify it ex post facto, it's simply dumb.

    BTW - you should have realized by now that I have nothing but contempt for the military industrial complex. Eisenhower warned us, and we ignored him.

    The MIC will let you live with the delusion you have nothing but contempt for them, while they know very well they will have 5-10% of your tax money year after year. Contempt vs hard-cold money is a good deal for them.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:47PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:47PM (#722319) Journal

      The MIC will let you live with the delusion you have nothing but contempt for them, while they know very well they will have 5-10% of your tax money year after year. Contempt vs hard-cold money is a good deal for them.

      There, you have made a valid point. Strike that word "delusion", and the point becomes more valid. I have few delusions, and none of them involve the MIC.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:21PM (#722346)

        You do realize that you are uniquely unqualified to determine whether you are deluded, or do we need to bust out the dictionary?

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:35PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:35PM (#722358) Journal

        s/delusion/impression/g

        Fair? Or do you prefer "out-of-mindness about/forgetting about it most of the time"?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:08PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:08PM (#722384)

    One of our white ships is about 20K/day. I assume a destroyer is about the same.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:16PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:16PM (#722396) Journal

      I am unfamiliar with your "white ships". But, no, I don't believe that 20k pays for one day of operations of a destroyer.