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The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.
The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.
[...] Though its effects could be far-reaching, the proposal to limit citizenship to immigrants who have not used public assistance does not appear to need congressional approval. As the Clinton administration did in 1999, the Trump administration would be redefining the term "public charge," which first emerged in immigration law in the 1800s in order to shield the U.S. from burdening too many immigrants who could not contribute to society.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 16 2018, @03:55PM (10 children)
Sigh, you're trying to set general policy by edge cases and you're not doing it for the sake of the edge cases but so that lazy and/or worthless fuckwads can steal from those who actually produce more than they consume.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:40PM (9 children)
Again you're putting words into my mouth, stop it please.
Have your policy of immigration for the future all you want. When it comes to the past, be fair with those that played by the rules of the times. Then see how they follow the new rules for the future.
Besides, the entire "inflammation" you suffer over all this thread is based on your implicit assumption of "the majority of legal immigrants abused the welfare system". Funny thing is... you're showing no proof for that assumption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:54PM (8 children)
Retroactivity is irrelevant as well. I have no issue carving exceptions out for edge cases but basing general policy on them is absurd.
I neither stated nor implied any such thing. That's a strawman of your own creation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:17PM (6 children)
Well, it doesn't build trust if you can't keep your word.
But... tell you what. If you want to get down this path and the retroactive trait is acceptable, I'd suggest another policy: retroactively plug the loopholes in your tax system and make those multi-nationals pay back all the taxes they moved into fiscal paradises. I guarantee you those money would dwarf any welfare expenses for decades. Good luck.
Really? Then how I should understand your "Sigh, you're trying to set general policy by edge cases".
Which I understood as: legal migrants who used but did not abuse welfare are "edge cases", we can discount them in setting the general policy. Because the majority (== !"edge case") of those that used welfare actually abused the welfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:37PM (5 children)
Sounds good to me but it'll never get through all the bought-and-paid-for politicians.
As for the rest, I see where you misunderstood. You neglected to consider legal immigrants who do not ever go on welfare at all. Those plus the ones who abuse it make the ones who use it as intended very much an edge case.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:09PM
WOW!
Nice weasel twisting you did there, for someone who always calls for facts when it is convenient you sure do have a lot of unsupported ASSumptions you pretend are facts.
You're a dishonest hypocritical asshole and this site is stained by your presence, even with your code contributions.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:38PM (3 children)
LOL, mate. We have yet chances to make a fine socialist from you.
Half the way there already: you just admitted that "Other-People's-Money is a good thing™" as long as the people are multinational corporations. Only a bit more and we'll call you "comrade" in our attempt to throw those corrupt politicians out.
(very large trollish grin)
Numbers, mate, numbers or it didn't happen.
I'll put down these things:
You sure you want to potentially eject any of them from US, now that China overtook America in the scientific papers [nature.com]?
I can guarantee you the Chinese are very little interested in "social studies" (the party has all the answers in social, no further studies are necessary) and "nutrition/obesity" (not enough HFCS in China, they need corn to feed their stock), most of these papers will be in hard sciences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday August 17 2018, @03:18AM (2 children)
Nah, I just figure if I'm going to get fucked, everyone else can damned well get fucked right along with me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Friday August 17 2018, @10:25AM (1 child)
Huh! You have material to make even a communist out of you!
(yuuuge grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday August 17 2018, @11:16AM
Ha! Noice.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday August 17 2018, @02:45AM
However, it happens to be true (51% as of 2015; I vaguely recall it's now 56% but couldn't find newer stats offhand)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/ [usatoday.com]
And here's a whole bunch of stats:
https://cis.org/Report/Cost-Welfare-Use-Immigrant-and-Native-Households [cis.org]
It's rather worse in Europe, at somewhere around 87% (as high as 99% in some areas).
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-survey-idUSKBN13A22F [reuters.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.