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The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.
The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.
[...] Though its effects could be far-reaching, the proposal to limit citizenship to immigrants who have not used public assistance does not appear to need congressional approval. As the Clinton administration did in 1999, the Trump administration would be redefining the term "public charge," which first emerged in immigration law in the 1800s in order to shield the U.S. from burdening too many immigrants who could not contribute to society.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:19PM (8 children)
So how does having more people on welfare "help"?
When you're stuck in a hole, first stop digging, so step 1 is halt immigration.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @04:45PM (7 children)
On permanent welfare? It doesn't.
3 days-worth of welfare per year and the rest of 220 days paying taxes? I'll take this deal any time, thank you, you'd be wise to do the same/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:14PM (6 children)
Seriously? People under 30K or so per year don't pay taxes and the govt programs exceed the revenue until like $40K or so.
Of course that sets a very "starship troopers" precedent that maybe we shouldn't let people immigrate OR vote unless their net benefit/revenue to society exceeds their net expense/programs. I'm down with that. In an era of big data we don't need ridiculous complication in the immigration laws to pretend to poorly implement that. Just a simple individualized personal level, "net profit = you're allowed, heck, encouraged to immigrate and you get to vote" "net loss = not so much".
Now the left sees 99% of the non-english speaking population as somehow being profitable, which is hilarious disconnect from reality, whereas the right figures it'll be more like 1%, but whatevs, thats another battle. I'm on board with the whole "starship troopers" citizenship laws, though.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 16 2018, @05:30PM (2 children)
What in "220 day paying taxes" was unclear?
Not at all.
In Australia, it's called "skilled migration" and you get points based on how your skill is rated by the demand on the market. The skill rating is certified by industry professional bodies, assessing your application. For some professions (e.g. medicine), you may even be asked to sit exams.
It's fair(ish**), you know from the start if you have chances to earn enough before even starting to fill-in your papers.
"Visa/green card lottery"? To my mind, that stupid, but if you want it this way, who am I to object?
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** as fair as the "demand on the market" is estimated. Usually lags by 1-2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Thursday August 16 2018, @07:51PM (1 child)
> In Australia, it's called "skilled migration" and you get points based on how your skill is rated by the demand on the market.
This feels like a rational and logical way to do it to me. I'd love to have a reasonable conversation about the merits of it without getting lost in the noise of bashing "them" instead. "Them" can be the prospective immigrants or the other political party, whichever is more effective at derailing the conversation.
:/
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 17 2018, @01:20AM
Not perfect, as any matter of policy can and will still be gamed... but yeah, somehow more rational than a lottery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @06:12PM (2 children)
Now I know you're a reeetard who wants to twist reality into some horror show, but everyone pays taxes. There is not a single person off of welfare that doesn't pay the government some amount of taxes. You can spout these alt-facts to suit your alt-right agenda but that doesn't make them true.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @07:13PM (1 child)
Bullshit unless you count sales tax from swiping the EBT card, or the taxes taken out of disability/SSI payments.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 16 2018, @08:16PM
Reading comprehension, learn it, love it, live it.