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posted by chromas on Friday August 17 2018, @04:40PM   Printer-friendly
from the amazing-cyber dept.

President Trump Relaxes US Cyber-Attacks Rules:

President Trump has signed an order relaxing rules around the use of cyber-weapons, the Wall Street Journal reports.[*]

It is a reversal of guidelines, drawn up under President Obama, which required a large number of federal agencies to be involved in any decision to launch a cyber-attack.

[...] The US administration is under pressure to deal with cyber-threats, amid growing concerns that state-sponsored hacks could hit critical infrastructure.

Prof Alan Woodward, a computer scientist at the University of Surrey, told the BBC: "We are in a era when certain governments are acting aggressively in cyber-space, and that is rightly condemned by governments such as that in the US.

"To respond in kind is not necessarily the way to de-escalate the situation."

He added: "You wouldn't allow a pre-emptive physical attack without thorough analysis and approval at the highest levels, so why would cyber-attacks be any different?"

[*] Paywalled.

Let's hope extreme care is taken to identify the actual source of an attack, rather than the apparent source.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday August 17 2018, @06:55PM (10 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 17 2018, @06:55PM (#722897) Journal

    Does it matter when a large % of the population IS christian?

    What is knowable: a large % of the population claims to be Christian. (Wide is the path that leads to destruction, . . . narrow is the way . . . that leads to life.)

    What is unknowable: whether they are or are not Christian. Only God knows the heart. Although if one is a Christian, I think there is some evidence of it.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by AthanasiusKircher on Friday August 17 2018, @07:56PM (9 children)

    by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Friday August 17 2018, @07:56PM (#722917) Journal

    What is knowable: a large % of the population claims to be Christian.

    What is unknowable: whether they are or are not Christian.

    Ah yes, the "No true Presbyterian" fallacy.

    (Why Presbyterian? Hint: where are they from?)

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17 2018, @08:43PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 17 2018, @08:43PM (#722933)

      Except that are pretty clear definitions of what it means to be a Christian - follow the precepts attributed to Christ. Among these are "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples." By that metric, it's pretty damn clear there are plenty "No True Presbyterian"s claiming to be such.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Friday August 17 2018, @09:02PM (1 child)

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Friday August 17 2018, @09:02PM (#722939) Journal

        Except that are pretty clear definitions of what it means to be a Christian - follow the precepts attributed to Christ.

        Actually, that's not generally what the dictionary definition says. For example, Merriam-Webster says [merriam-webster.com]: "one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ." Note "professes BELIEF in..." That's usually what the polls assume, and what most people assume, unless they are doctrinal zealots. If we judged "Christians" by their actions throughout history, we'd pretty much have to declare that >99% of them weren't Christians.

        Anyhow, the reason I brought this up is because lots of "Christians" also like to claim that they know others aren't "Christians" based on some doctrinal test. Historically, Catholics often declared any non-Catholic Christians to be "not Christian," and to this day, some of the dogmatic language of the Catholic Church basically still says Catholics are the only "true Christians." Lots of mainstream Christian churches historically declared Anabaptist sects to be "not Christian." Many mainstream Christian denominations even today declare that Mormons are "not Christian." Etc., etc.

        In fact, despite a number of biblical proclamations urging people to "judge not..." it's interesting that one of the greatest historical pastimes of many Christian denominations has been spending time figuring who qualifies as "Christian" and who they declare to be "not Christian." Interestingly, "Judge not..." is one of those "precepts attributed to Christ" that you appear to hold most dear. Yet you seem to find no difficulty in ignoring that one when judging others...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 18 2018, @12:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 18 2018, @12:13PM (#723103)

          You just reminded me of the unbridled rage on my hardcore-Protestant grandfather's face when we went to Bucca di Beppo's to eat once and got the table with a bust of a pope in the center :D Almost as much fun as when I told him that Jesus was fake when I was very young.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday August 17 2018, @09:12PM (5 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 17 2018, @09:12PM (#722941) Journal

      the "No true Presbyterian" fallacy.

      I am not familiar with that fallacy. And I would be pleased to be enlightened.

      As for being a Christian, one would admit they are a sinner, cannot earn or merit God's forgiveness, believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead to pay for their sin, and ASK for forgiveness. I believe that loving your neighbor, etc are things that follow as a result of this.

      That said, some people believe, and some do not. And I cannot make anyone believe. But some people seem to think they can somehow.

      Christians are definitely not perfect. See: two millennia of history. Although I must seriously wonder that the worst things done in the name of god are actually done by truly believing Christians, but rather by people seeking and maintaining power over other people. Which obviously happens even today.

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      • (Score: 5, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Friday August 17 2018, @09:36PM (3 children)

        by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 17 2018, @09:36PM (#722951)

        Although I must seriously wonder that the worst things done in the name of god are actually done by truly believing Christians, but rather by people seeking and maintaining power over other people

        Religion has ALWAYS been about power and control over people.

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by DannyB on Saturday August 18 2018, @04:27AM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 18 2018, @04:27AM (#723039) Journal

          So I guess you don't think that Religion is the best way to heal a world deeply and violently divided by Religion.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 18 2018, @11:44AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 18 2018, @11:44AM (#723094)

            Not the best way, by a long shot, but it will work... like a steamroller.

            I have been mixed up with religions since I was brought into this world... and have come to the conclusion that spirituality and religion are two completely different animals.

            Religion depends on one observing the inexplicable and arriving at the conclusion that something far greater than they caused this to be ( which is spirituality ) ..... then offer up their own explanation, thereby shanghai-ing that individual just like a phishing scam. I see religion work on people the way I see computer virus spread on networked machines, as it is coded into us since birth to be obedient to authority figures, and all it takes to shanghai a human is to get them to believe that you are an authority figure.

            Most of us are so trusting and obedient that this is not a very hard thing to do - at all!

            Expert psychological techniques are employed, the same as advertisers use, and things like shunning if one does not fall in line. Most people will go with the flow to avoid confronting the order-giver. So, by and large, they get free reign. Just for dressing up in costume and putting on a show. The Witch Doctor is a great example.

            What it takes to break it is flat demonstrating the lies behind religions, and how the control strategy is implemented. Just like showing how a computer virus spreads.

            There is much to be learned from spirituality, but there is also much to be sacrificed - uselessly - by listening to others who usually have a vested interest in what you believe.

            Hint: Its not your soul they are after... its your WALLET!!!!

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday August 20 2018, @12:54PM

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 20 2018, @12:54PM (#723742) Journal

              Hint: Its not your soul they are after... its your WALLET!!!!

              Attention: Apple Fanboys!

              Calling the cult of Apple acolytes. Please pay attention to this.

              Even though the messiah died of pancreatic cancer, the faithful can continue to make yearly pilgrimages to Apple's WWDC.

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      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Saturday August 18 2018, @12:55AM

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Saturday August 18 2018, @12:55AM (#723009) Journal

        The Presbyterian thing was a joke. Presbyterianism originated in Scotland (well, as distinct from Calivinism, which it draws heavily on).

        Hence, I was referring to the "No true Scotsman" fallacy in a tongue-in-cheek way.