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posted by janrinok on Monday August 20 2018, @11:32PM   Printer-friendly
from the demanding-the-impossible dept.

From the BBC.

The European Commission is planning to order websites to delete extremist content on their sites within an hour to avoid the risk of being fined. The regulation would affect Twitter, Facebook and YouTube among others. The crackdown would lead to the EU abandoning its current approach - where the firms self-police - in favour of explicit rules.

The shake-up comes in the wake of high-profile terror attacks across Europe over the past few years.

Julian King, the EU's commissioner for security, told the Financial Times [Subscription required] that the EU would "take stronger action in order to protect our citizens".

The BBC has confirmed the details of the report.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Knowledge Troll on Monday August 20 2018, @11:42PM (14 children)

    by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Monday August 20 2018, @11:42PM (#723966) Homepage Journal

    Does this mean that any competition to Tweetbook or Facer is going to require this as a minimum capability? That's going to make it very hard to start a competitor to the incumbents which can already afford to pay for 24x7 staff to man this or the machine learning system that can handle it.

    I appreciate the sentiment but wow this seems dangerous.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by isostatic on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:02AM (6 children)

    by isostatic (365) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:02AM (#723970) Journal

    I wonder if it applies to soylent news. Or usenet for that matter.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by legont on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:34AM (4 children)

      by legont (4179) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:34AM (#723988)

      It probably does.

      In Russia where a similar set of laws were introduced a few months back there are already people in prison for clicking "like" on an extremists content.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:52AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:52AM (#723998)

        But more difficult to enforce because SN doesn't have offices outside the US.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:54PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:54PM (#724188) Journal

          It would be possible to create Linode instances in various data centers including Europe and Asia. That would make it possible to come under these requirements for no apparent purpose or benefit.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Captival on Tuesday August 21 2018, @01:27AM (1 child)

        by Captival (6866) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @01:27AM (#724011)

        Sure. In Russia they arrest you if they think you might be an Islamic terrorist. In Britain, they arrest you if they think you might be saying bad about Islamic terrorists. [rt.com] I'll take my chances with the Russians.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:36AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:36AM (#724033) Journal

          I'll take my chances with the Russians.

          Good luck, with your loud mouth, you'll need it.

          PS get yourself thick clothing, even with the global warming the weather in Siberia is still fucking cold.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:47PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:47PM (#724185) Journal

      Soylent News does not seem to have any terrorism. Or violently imposed contracts. Or taxation at the point of a gun.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:07AM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:07AM (#723974) Journal

    Europe tried to create a competitor to Google [wikipedia.org] back in the day, but they failed miserably. Maybe they could back another failure.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:18AM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 21 2018, @12:18AM (#723979) Journal

      Quaero was not intended to be a text-based search engine but was mainly meant for multimedia search. The search engine would have used techniques for recognizing, transcribing, indexing, and automatic translation of audiovisual documents and would have operated in several languages. There was also a plan to have automatic recognition and indexing of images.

      Too far a jump, a heck too early in the technology context.
      Even today it would be too ambitious.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @04:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @04:18AM (#724046)

        Yet is a pale precursor to the requirements of this law.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:35AM (#724032)
    Many sites will choose to block EU at the webserver level. Mod_geoip to the rescue. EU is quickly building its own internet with their own laws. GDPR was grudgingly accepted, as it was a privacy-oriented idea. But this makes EU able to unilaterally close any web site, incl. those that are based outside of EU, just because they say so. Truly, they had been given an inch that was GDPR, now they want to take a mile.
  • (Score: 2) by rigrig on Tuesday August 21 2018, @09:21AM (1 child)

    by rigrig (5129) <soylentnews@tubul.net> on Tuesday August 21 2018, @09:21AM (#724087) Homepage

    Does this mean that any competition to Tweetbook or Facer is going to require this as a minimum capability?

    And maybe they should?
    Terrorist propaganda seems to work, or the terrorists wouldn't spend so much effort on it.
    This has a negative impact on society, so maybe the people running the social media should be held responsible for the downsides (instead of externalising the costs of all unwanted content that is more expensive more to clean up than the backlash it creates).

    Note that the report [europa.eu] specifically states that

    One-hour rule: Considering that terrorist content is most harmful in the first hours of its appearance online, all companies should remove such content within one hour from its referral as a general rule.

    And

    Special attention to small companies: The industry should, through voluntary arrangements, cooperate and share experiences, best practices and technological solutions, including tools allowing for automatic detection.This shared responsibility should particularly benefit smaller platforms with more limited resources and expertise.

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    • (Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:31PM

      by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @02:31PM (#724179) Homepage Journal

      Special attention to small companies: The industry should, through voluntary arrangements, cooperate and share experiences, best practices and technological solutions, including tools allowing for automatic detection.This shared responsibility should particularly benefit smaller platforms with more limited resources and expertise.

      I was wondering if that was in there but couldn't tell because of the paywall. Thanks!

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 21 2018, @03:09PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 21 2018, @03:09PM (#724198) Journal

    Minimum size for entry?

    The EU will have to insult with the US President to find out just how small of a minimum size is still workable for entry.

    It would be so unfair for the law to apply to smaller social media such as info wars.

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