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posted by mrpg on Tuesday August 21 2018, @01:20AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-a-lie dept.

Recently 994 items including 49 videos and 54 sound recordings were deposited in Zimbardo's online archive at Stanford University. This newly revealed evidence challenges everything that has been taught about the Stanford Prison Experiment.

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/time-change-story

From the article:

We all know the story of the Stanford Prison Experiment. It has been a staple of introductory psychology textbooks and lectures for nearly fifty years (see Griggs, 2014).

[...] But now, a half century later, dramatic new evidence has emerged that challenges Zimbardo's account. Our textbooks and our lectures will have to be rewritten. The story of what happened in the SPE and why such brutality occurred will have to be retold.

[...] The startling new evidence tells a tale of the experimenters treating the Guards effectively as research assistants. It reveals how disturbed the Prisoners were when Zimbardo told them they could not leave the study. It raises profound intellectual, moral and even legal questions about what went on in that Stanford basement in the summer of 1971.

[...] You can listen to this interview – start after 8.38 minutes. The tape shows the leadership of the experimenters was at the core of the SPE. More specifically, it provides evidence of identity leadership. That is, Zimbardo and his colleagues sought to ensure conformity amongst the Guards by making brutality appear necessary for the achievement of worthy ingroup goals, namely science that would make the case for prison reform. "What we want to do", Zimbardo's Warden told the Guard, "is be able to go to the world with what we've done and say "Now look, this is what happens when you have Guards who behave this way ... But in order to say that we have to have Guards who behave that way."

[...] How has Zimbardo responded this time? By reasserting that 'none of these criticisms present any substantial evidence that alters the SPE's conclusion'. And at the same time that he berates his critics (without engaging with their arguments), he reworks his story to now say that, yes, Guards were told to be tough, but not how to be tough. For Zimbardo, then, this is all just fake news. Except that it plainly isn't.


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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday August 21 2018, @03:44AM (2 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @03:44AM (#724044) Journal

    Superficially one could say the experiment was sensationalized so that the authors could get fame.
    But if others experiments turn unreproducible (It's SCIENCE is a religious mantra after all, because science has been mostly substituted by faith about other people's honesty) and they all paint humans like animals responding to the lowest instincts above all, then we have an agenda.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday August 21 2018, @06:34AM (1 child)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday August 21 2018, @06:34AM (#724066) Journal

    Actually, the Stanford experiment, much like the Milgram experiment, were meant to explain how normal people, like Germans of the
    Weimar Republic, could turn into Nazi monsters. This seemed a puzzle to social scientists around the time of WWII. But now we know that the alt-right is alright, that Neo-Nazis are not monsters and the enemies of everything that American and the Allies (and, of course, Cap't America!) stand for, and so it is alright to let the alt-right march, and we should not punch them in the face, because, you know, that would be uncivil.

    So, for you millennial editors who due to your historical positioning cannot see this as out and out revisionist propaganda, I hope you grandparents forgive you. And I also hope you get punched in the face the next time you are so stupid as to pass on a fine article like this, when you could have had an aristarchus submission.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @09:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 21 2018, @09:39AM (#724089)

      > could turn into Nazi monsters
      Got it, so this was the agenda.