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posted by janrinok on Wednesday August 22 2018, @04:43PM   Printer-friendly
from the she-done-good dept.

The Hugo awards, being the favorite they are with SN readers, are out again!

As posted at The Vox.

The first-ever threepeat of the Hugo Awards — the prestigious, long-running fantasy awards handed out annually at WorldCon — just issued a giant rejection of right-wing gatekeeping in the struggle to diversify the world of science fiction and fantasy writing.

N.K. Jemisin's groundbreaking fantasy series the Broken Earth trilogy has won critical acclaim, been optioned for development as a TV series, and received numerous accolades from the sci-fi and fantasy community. And on August 19, it achieved yet another milestone when Jemisin became the first author in the Hugos' 65-year history to win back-to-back awards for every book in a trilogy. Jemisin won the award for Best Novel three years in a row, starting with The Fifth Season in 2016, The Obelisk Gate in 2017, and now The Stone Sky in 2018.

Meanwhile, The Verge reports:

The 2018 Hugo Awards were held last night at the World Science Fiction Convention in San Jose, California. The Hugo award, voted on by members of the fan community, is considered the highest honor for science fiction and fantasy literature.

Like the previous couple of years, women almost completely swept the awards. N.K. Jemisin took home the top honor for The Stone Sky, the third installment of her Broken Earth trilogy. Other winners include Martha Wells for her first Murderbot novella All Systems Red, Suzanne Palmer for her novelette “The Secret Life of Bots,” and Rebecca Roanhorse for her short story “Welcome to your Authentic Indian Experience™.” (Roanhorse also took home the John W. Campbell Jr. Award for Best New Writer.)

Jemisin’s win gives her a history-making hat trick: she’s won the top award for each Broken Earth installment, the first two having been for The Fifth Season and The Obelisk Gate. It’s a significant achievement, earned for Jemisin’s groundbreaking writing, blending of genres, and outstanding storytelling.

The complete list of nominees can be found in The Verge's story. Additional reporting can be found at the Guardian, on TOR.com, and elsewhere.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:17PM (34 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:17PM (#724783) Journal

    I've edited Aristarchus' submission, it is more about the awards rather than the alt-right aspect now, and I have included a 2nd source to give the story balance.

    Try reading the linked articles.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by aristarchus on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:30PM (17 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:30PM (#724792) Journal

    I've edited Aristarchus' submission,

    Yes, I hardly recognize it, and am surprised my name is still on it! As per usual, check out the original submission.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @06:44PM (#724803)

      Yes, I hardly recognize it, and am surprised my name is still on it!

      As was I but this Alt-Aristarchus submission is fine, keep it up!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @07:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @07:58PM (#724836)

      My edited article submission is much better now! I demand this outrage stop!

      heh

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @09:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @09:17PM (#724865)

      Well I have to agree that "Poor Sad Puppies, now with extra sadness, and some Proud Boys on the side." is a pretty shitty addition to the summary.

      However, janrinok tries to remove the controversy by changing the parts you quoted, that is pretty scummy.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:46AM (13 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:46AM (#725025) Journal

      It is what editors do. The story was about the winners of the Hugo Award, the hit for the alt-right was a side issue. However, I left your quotation in the summary and some of our community still thought the story had a political bias.

      Seriously, thank you for the submission. Give me something to work with and your contributions can be on the front page.

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday August 23 2018, @06:51AM (12 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 23 2018, @06:51AM (#725091) Journal

        My thanks, janrinok. But next time, a bit more respect for the line between an author and an editor? Even a lowly submitter deserves a bit of authorial respect, under the Moral Property provisions of the Berne convention.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by janrinok on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:50AM (11 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:50AM (#725103) Journal

          If the alt-right aspect was the whole point of your submission, then change the headline to suit. Next time you try to get an alt-right story through by using a false headline then I will reject it.

          I am more than happy to help you get your stories to the front page if they are not on your usual topic, unless they have got something new to say.

          Show a little respect yourself to the other members of this community.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:10AM (1 child)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:10AM (#725109) Journal

            Pretty sure the headline I submitted was taken from the source, not something I made up. But, have you noticed that people are out to get you, lately, janrinok? Especially the antifa, or the anti-alt-right? Just because people are out to get you, that does mean you are paranoid.

          • (Score: 1) by oakgrove on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:29AM (8 children)

            by oakgrove (5864) on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:29AM (#725113)

            WTF? Alt right blah blah blah alt right right alt alt alt right rrrriiiigggghhhttttt. Jeez dude

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:35AM (7 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:35AM (#725115) Journal

              I apologise. But you ought to see what we have to put with that doesn't reach the front page.

              • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:20PM (6 children)

                by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:20PM (#725358) Homepage Journal

                You say we ought to see it. But, you don't put it on the frontpage. So goofy!!!

                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday August 24 2018, @02:38AM (5 children)

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 24 2018, @02:38AM (#725563) Journal

                  You can read the contents of the submission queue any time you wish.

                  The material isn't suitable for the front page, which is why we don't publish it.

                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 24 2018, @07:23AM (1 child)

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 24 2018, @07:23AM (#725680) Journal

                    The material isn't suitable for the front page, which is why we don't publish it.

                    As good a reason for censorship as any, I guess. . .

                    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday August 24 2018, @08:14AM

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 24 2018, @08:14AM (#725691) Journal

                      Stories are selected depending on quality and interest, and subsequently edited. That's what editors do.

                      Comments are not censored. If you check, you can still read all of yours.

                      Discussion closed.

                  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday August 24 2018, @08:48PM (2 children)

                    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday August 24 2018, @08:48PM (#726017) Homepage Journal

                    The Rejected Subs aren't in the Subs Queue. As everybody knows. Very hard to see those. It’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out.

                    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:20AM (1 child)

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:20AM (#726146) Journal

                      It’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out.

                      No, but we do expect our community members to have a modicum of intelligence. There is always the exception to the rule though...

                      You can review all of your own submissions on your personal submissions page.

                      However, if you want others to see your rejected submissions, we suggest that you put them in your personal Journal - so that they can be kept in the database and backed-up automatically with all of our other data.

                      • (Score: 1, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday August 25 2018, @09:34PM

                        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday August 25 2018, @09:34PM (#726361) Homepage Journal

                        You say, "oh, go look at your own Subs, at the ones we rejected." And I can do that very easily, that's so true. But we were talking about, @oakgrove should see the rejected Subs. From me, from @aristarchus, from anybody, I don't know. But you didn't say, "@oakgrove, you're part of the problem, go look at your TERRIBLE rejected Subs!" And I don't think you meant that. I think you meant, look at other people's rejected Subs, see how bad they are. But, not easy to see someone else's rejected Subs. Except, I assume, for people like TMB, @chromas and @cmn32480 who RUN the website and have VERY SPECIAL cyber powers. Like the ones you use for unmasking. You know it's not easy. And you go, "oh, all the SMART people can do it, @realDonaldTrump can't figure that one out, he must be DUMB, so sad!" Believe me, I can figure it out. If I want to spend a million years fiddling with the cyber. Who wants that? Nobody wants that. If I want to see @oakgrove's rejected Subs, where are they? I do the Search, right? I put oakgrove, I put submissions -- otherwise known as Subs. And there's nothing. But, I touch on @oakgrove's tweet where it says oakgrove. I touch submissions. There's a Sub that got accepted. And it says the rejected ones aren't "listed." Nice way to say, we know what you're looking for, we're hiding that. It shows the one that got accepted. I not listed in the Search, why? It was accepted, it's hidden in the Search. Not hidden in the other place. I'm not a cyber person, it looks like bad cyber to me. I'll tell you one thing about cyber, it always does exactly what the folks running it tell it to do. It's the most loyal thing you've seen in your entire life.

                        And I think you don't understand the cyber. And don't understand what you're saying. Because you say, I can go look at my rejected Subs. I can, I do, it's always PERFECTO. But you say, put Subs in journal so they can be kept. They're kept, I can tell they're kept. Because I can look at them. And you said I can look at them. Or maybe, you're saying they won't be kept anymore, maybe they'll get wiped. Wouldn't it be a shame if something happened to them. Little bit of a threat again. Believe me, I'm not worried. I'm hearing all the time about somebody flipping, somebody getting whacked. And maybe my Subs about old old news are getting wiped. It's a nothing.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @09:35PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @09:35PM (#724876)

    Yeah, we can't hurt the feelings of the alt-right folks around here can we? Even though the articles are totally about that topic.

    BAD EDITOR BAD! Go sit in the corner and think about what you're doing.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @11:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 22 2018, @11:37PM (#724938)

      Does this mean you are okay with folks submitting stories in the form of editorials bashing the left? This simply isn't how discussion sites work, keep editorializing out of the submission and let people discuss it. It is not a difficult concept.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:55AM (9 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:55AM (#725031) Journal

      There are 4 sources identified in TFS, The story is about the Hugo Awards, which they all covered, rather than the alt-right taking a hit, which only one source concentrated on. The 'controversy' as you call it is only a side issue, and the submission wasn't submitted as a political topic, so I focused on the main theme.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @03:56AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @03:56AM (#725056)

        2 of the sources referenced the alt-right sad puppies, one was barely an article with maybe 2 paragraphs, and the last was just a full list.

        Anyway, it was a pseudo-serious joke comment and in another comment I said Aristarchus' personal comments were lame and unwarranted. They should be saved for the article comments. However you did screw with the paragraphs he quoted and dramatically changed the angle of the article to your own preferred interpretation.

        Trying to ignore the issues of racism and sexism is part of why it is such a big problem we can't seem to move past. It is much more than a "side issue".

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 23 2018, @04:39AM (3 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @04:39AM (#725073) Journal

          The issue is a problem, but the story is either about the Hugo Awards or the alt-right. I elected to publish Aristarchus' submission based on his own quote that "The Hugo awards, being the favorite they are with SN readers, are out again!" and the title that he had chosen for his submission. It seemed to me that this was the main purpose of the submission and that is what I concentrated on. We have already covered the racism displayed by the alt-right repeatedly, we are not ignoring that fact at all.

          If someone wishes to make a submission which focuses on the racism and sexism angle they are encouraged to do so. However, I will state that, in accordance with our publicised submission guidelines, they should ensure that they provide a balanced and unbiased offering, and use the quotations from the quoted sources to make the more extreme arguments. Personal opinions belong in the discussion comments, not in the summary.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 23 2018, @04:58PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday August 23 2018, @04:58PM (#725266) Journal

        We covered the Sad Puppies a lot last year. Now that they're Sad Loser Puppies we're supposed to not talk about it?

        Seems like an appropriate follow up to me.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:34PM (#725391)

          SN is a safe space DM. They can't limit the comments without being total hypocrites, but making sure stories that don't trigger VLM don't make it through the queue is a lot easier to bullshit away. Even without Ari's lame insults the alt-righters still went batshit bigotry.

        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday August 24 2018, @08:52PM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday August 24 2018, @08:52PM (#726020) Homepage Journal

          Great question. You tweet a lot of dumb things but this is a great question. But, "DISCUSSION CLOSED"!!!!

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday August 30 2018, @02:43AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday August 30 2018, @02:43AM (#728123) Homepage Journal

        Possibly you didn't see the Original Submission. Only 1 source in that one!!!!

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 23 2018, @01:29AM (3 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @01:29AM (#724997) Journal

    The editing helps, maybe - but we're still talking about a bunch of women, liberals, progressives and whatnot gloating that they've kicked the men out. Then, talking about "diversity". Something, something, something drama just isn't "science fiction". It does qualify as fantasy though, depending on the individual's personal fantasies.

    None of it really matters though. I can still get my fix any time I like. Pretty much any author who publishes with Baen is well worth reading. That may change, or it may not.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:13AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 23 2018, @07:13AM (#725095)

      If you think you can do better, go write a fucking book and win an award.

      Be sure to put a picture of your dick on the cover so everyone knows a man wrote the book. And make sure it's pointing to the right so everyone knows your political affiliation without having to read a word of your drivel.

      During the time you're busy writing your book we'll miss your contributions to SN. Really we will.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:50AM (1 child)

        by jmorris (4844) on Thursday August 23 2018, @08:50AM (#725118)

        Uh, we are talking about the Hugos, right? The purpose of which used to be calling out quality material for fans to read. Now simply picking "anything published by Baen" is a better selection method. In other words, he has identified a superior metric than the Hugo. The modern Hugo is more an anti-indicator of quality, seeing a title win it means it is probably safe to ignore. Not sure I'd agree with his assessment entirely, but things sure seem to be moving in that direction quickly. Looks like some good stuff still gets nominated but politics is picking the winner now.

        Seriously, who thinks this twaddle that has now won three years running, mostly as an attempt to "show" the Puppies who runs things, will be remembered in fifty years? Now go look back 50 year at the awards in 1968 and see if you recognize any. And 1968 was a 'down year' following the two prior years when Herbert won with Dune and Heinlein got one for The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. Major literary works that will never be forgotten, they will carry those to the space colonies and be reading them.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:08PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 23 2018, @02:08PM (#725204) Journal

          Major literary works that will never be forgotten,

          Never is a long time. We do need to keep in mind that we have political minded groups today who are working hard to ensure the next generations do forget all about any white hetero males, especially if any of those males are Christian.

          When's the last time you heard anyone talking of Mark Twain, and Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn? "Oh, but, das raciss!"

          Ever wondered how many other entertainers (authors, singers, playwrights, etc) were huge sensations in their day and time, only to be forgotten later for political reasons? This may be a new phenomenon. Sure, lots of people have probably been forgotten, but for reasons other than political!