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Mass Shooting at Video Game Tournament in Jacksonville Leaves Multiple Dead:
Multiple people were killed in a mass shooting during a video game tournament at a shopping and dining complex in downtown Jacksonville, Florida, the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said Sunday afternoon. Preliminary reports say four people were killed of the 11 people who were shot at the Jacksonville Landing, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the incident.
The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said on Twitter there were "multiple" fatalities and "many" transported to hospitals. One suspect was dead at the scene, the Sheriff's Office said, and it was not known if there was another suspect.
Memorial Hospital in Jacksonville, Florida is treating at least three patients that were involved in the gaming shooting incident, Hospital spokesman Pete Moberg tells CNN. All of the patients are in stable condition, Moberg says.
Live Updates: Shooting at Madden tournament in Jacksonville.
The shooting occurred at the Jacksonville Landing complex during a qualifying event for the Madden 19 Tournament at the GLHF Game Bar, according to the Twitter [feed] of CompLexity Gaming, one of the gaming teams.
Also at: NY Daily News and Fox News.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @09:10PM (11 children)
Thoughts and prayers.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by driverless on Sunday August 26 2018, @11:14PM (10 children)
You only got part of the formula, it's "Thoughts and prayers, not the right time to talk about gun control, and there were good people on boths sides of the shooting".
Please stand by for the next shooting. You already know the drill.
(Score: 2) by schad on Monday August 27 2018, @12:29AM
No, actually, he got the whole formula. It's a reference to the Netflix show Bojack Horseman.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by takyon on Monday August 27 2018, @12:37AM (8 children)
Here's how gun control would go.
First of all, define gun control. Just throwing in a restriction on those who fail a background check won't catch every potential shooter. We don't know much about David Katz yet, but he may have flown completely under the radar with no arrest record, etc. Another thing to note: Katz was living in Baltimore [abcactionnews.com]. Where/when did he obtain his weapon(s)? Did he get them in Florida or transport them across state lines?
Let's say you have a state or federal bill that attempts to restrict gun ownership to a greater extent than previously seen. First of all, the bill has to make it through a Republican/NRA firewall. Then come the inevitable legal challenges that could delay implementation and force the Supreme Court to rule on the issue. Given the Court's makeup today, and the strong possibility of President Trump appointing at least two new Justices (Kavanaugh included), it seems unlikely that the Supreme Court will rule "favorably" on gun control legislation. But let's say they do.
Before implementation, you will see a rush to stockpile guns and ammunition. Companies will gladly cater to this demand, which will dwarf that of the Obama gun scare. After implementation, there will almost certainly still be plenty of guns being sold due to exemptions for farmers, hunters, etc. Things like the 20% lower receivers will be sold like hotcakes, so people can finish up weapons themselves. Cody Wilson/Defense Distributed will likely get lots of money thrown his way. Right now, he's playing it safe and hoping to force a court, maybe the Supreme Court, to rule that gun plans are protected by the First Amendment. He's complying with a court order that expires on Aug. 28 (Judge will decide whether to issue an injunction tomorrow, Aug. 27 [washingtonpost.com]). Ultimately, if Cody Wilson gets blocked and loses his court cases, other "crypto-anarchists" will pick up the torch and host plans on the dark web.
Finally, in the worst case scenario, you could see a miniature "civil war" with militias going H.A.M. on various targets of their frustration. The pro-gun crowd will be better armed, at least moreso than the police if not the military. A few losers will shoot people over something as petty as a Madden tournament, but there are a lot more who would do it over losing their 2nd Amendment rights.
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(Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday August 27 2018, @04:02AM (1 child)
Too late, my bittorrent client has already handed out 27.6 complete copies of the Defense Distributed archive indexed at The Pirate bay. The Genie ain't going back in no damned bottle now.
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Monday August 27 2018, @05:04AM
I know that, but some files thrown onto TPB does not make a proper community, which would discuss and test designs, update and tweak designs, share tips, etc. Last time I checked, TPB had a small physibles section that is not going anywhere. Thingiverse had a community, but they booted Cody Wilson and gun designs off that platform back in 2012, leading to the creation of Defcad and today's events. We'll see what happens in the next couple of days, but if Defcad goes back up and stays up, it will probably be a focal point for interest in 3D-printed and CNC-milled weapons.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @01:59PM (3 children)
I disagree.
If you read the 2nd, and then read the respective federal codes on malitias and firearms regulations, it is quite clear that there are practical ways to implement a certain degree of gun control within the constraints of the 2nd amendment. And while I could enumerate those approaches I won't because, sod off read it yourself.
I believe that those of congress on both sides who've gone down this road never suggest any of those approaches because; while it would reduce the number of deaths; it would also lend credence to the fact that the 2nd amendment serves a legitimate purpose. And keeping the people in a perpetual ignorance about their constitutional rights, is much more important to congress than a bunch of kids having their guts splattered all over the walls of some school.
It can be done. It can't be done the way the memes and propaganda say it should be done. Which is to say, that the popular dogma on gun control exists, in order to prevent gun control from ever existing. The issue is approached by congress and the corporate media interests whom they serve, in a way that is maximally confounding. The simplest interpretation of the facts, is that this is by design.
Fundamentalist dogma is misdirection. Fundamentalism, is being suckered by that dogma.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @02:59PM (1 child)
I did read the second amendment, which speaks of "the right of the people." While it also mentions a well-regulated militia, that is just one reason the right to bear arms is important, and was not intended to be a limitation upon it. I am therefore unconvinced that any level of gun control would be Constitutional, despite what courts may argue. Even Scalia was wrong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @04:36PM
The federal code does define "militia". Incidentally that definition doesn't include women. Which is to say under federal statutory law, women have no second amendment rights. Why feminists don't about that I will never know. While it may not be enforced that way, that is how the law is written. And the dictionary act and then SCOTUS defined "people" as meaning "corporations", and apparently their respective multinational fiduciary interests. So if a foreigner incorporates in the U.S. they probably have more right to bare arms than a woman citizen under federal statutory law. Again, how it is written, not how it is enforced.
My point is that nobody is articulating either the problem or the solution, and that credibility of statutory or bench law on this matter is far from sacrosanct. Generally I'm with you, that the smaller risk is with a fully open system. That isn't to say that there isn't a lawful way to implement gun control intelligently. But such a way will never happen, because congress doesn't want it to happen. They want to use the issue to forment disruption. Which is why all you hear is a din of fundamentalist twaddle, with both parties conspiring to mine their half of the dupes for every sent they can get.
If you aren't considering third parties, then you aren't considering a two party system.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 27 2018, @07:01PM
For some reason I forgot to mention the black market in my comment. That aside:
Interpretation of the Constitution is always subject to change. It means whatever 5 Supreme Court Justices decides it means.
Meanwhile, we have a large number of people in the U.S. that will violate what they see as oppressive gun control laws, followed by some kind of insurrection if the government tries to take their guns away.
As it stands, people can sell/trade firearms privately, make their own firearms from scratch or from partially carved components, and build up their own arsenal, as long as they have some money. There is little interest in stopping them.
Gun control may prevent some of the stupider kids and mentally disturbed individuals from picking up a gun. Then again, the Drug War hasn't been such a success. All that is needed is a cheap handgun and some bullets in order to replicate what was seen on Sunday. If a 24-year-old liquidates their meager assets, they should be able to afford a weapon, one-way bus ticket, etc.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 27 2018, @07:00PM (1 child)
What is this Obama "gun scare" of which you speak? Obama never even put forward any legislation to do any sort of gun control. All we got out of him was tears and the occasional finger-wagging lecture after a mass shooting. Perhaps you were somehow swayed by the hysteria of the gun lobby when they tried to tell us that "libruls are going to come and take away our gunz any day now!!!1!!eleven!!!". On the other hand, if you had something else in mind then please do enlighten us.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 27 2018, @07:10PM
Was the word "scare" really not enough for you, or have you not seen the stats?
https://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10801664/obama-gun-sales [vox.com]
It is clear that a segment of the population believed that Obama would implement gun control and seize guns. Sales surged even before his election. It doesn't matter that this was based on fear or even racism. And it hints that if there was a real push for strict gun control, there would be a corresponding real surge in sales as people stockpile guns long in advance of the law(s) being implemented.
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