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Australia flags denying U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning entry visa
Australia has signaled it is preparing to ban U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning from entering the country ahead of a scheduled speaking tour, the organizer of the engagements said. Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in military prison for leaking classified data, is scheduled to speak at the Sydney Opera House at the weekend.
However, Suzi Jamil, owner of the company organizing Manning's speaking tour in Australia, said late on Wednesday Manning had received a notice from the Australian government informing her Canberra was considering cancelling her visa. [...] Australian law allows the immigration minister to deny anyone a visa if they do not pass a character test, a broad criteria that affords the government sweeping powers.
Manning is scheduled to travel to New Zealand after finishing her three events in Australia but the center-right opposition National Party has also called for her to be denied entry.
Also at NYT.
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:29PM (27 children)
Or maybe they just don't want a traitor to enter their country.
Welcome to the real world, where your painfully limited understanding and comically obvious liberal bias do not define how things are done, and never will.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:40PM (3 children)
A post which speaks the truth is modded as flamebait ?
If you SJWs wonder why some people don't respect you, look no further.
You are too childish to tolerate views with which you disagree so you seek to silence those views.
This is not the behavior of an adult.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:02AM
Sounds like you need one of these:
http://www.redonkulas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DA-FORM-IMTWF1.pdf [redonkulas.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:01AM
While your opinion may be that they don't want a traitor it seems much more likely that the combination of being trans and a whistleblower are what really did it along with the likely aspect of someone in the US leaning on them a little.
Speaking of childish I'll refer you to this little gem
:facepalm:
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @04:03AM
It speaks a maybe truth, like in "Or maybe they just ..."
Same degree of truthfulness as a maybe not truth. And yet somehow you expect that the maybe truth will be accepted as the truth and those who do not accept it have "painfully limited understanding" and are "comically obvious liberal bias".
Righto, kid, get busy growing up, you have a lot of ground to cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:43PM (16 children)
I known traitor is no threat.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:43AM (15 children)
Manning has been going around to various protests in the US and stirring up shit.
That makes Manning a potential undesirable in the eyes of a government which is interested in maintaining order. Maybe the Australians don't want Manning
coming to their country stirring up shit. It would be perfectly reasonable of the Australians to take such a position, and whether you or anyone else on this website agrees or not is immaterial to the Australian government, I assure you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:15AM (11 children)
But they do want the presence of trolls known to disturb the order [news.com.au]?
Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (8 children)
"Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind."
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I don't have any kind of order in mind.
The Australian government and what it might want or not want is what was under discussion.
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Your English is terrible. Are you drunk or are you just stupid ?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:41AM (7 children)
I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:58AM (6 children)
"I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it."
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What I understand is that you are a jerk who makes false accusations for no constructive purpose and lacks the manners to apologize for your poor manners.
(Score: 5, Touché) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @02:12AM (5 children)
I'm a non-native-English speaker who lives in Australia as an Australian citizen. Have a good job here, pay my taxes and I recently bought a piece of acreage at country side with the intent of establishing a farm where only pasture used to be.
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In case you don't get my point, let me spell it for you: in concerning to matters regarding Australia, I reckon I'm more invested in this country than you'll ever be. I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia, I'm in my full rights to do so even when those ideas would be coming from inside the govt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:52AM (1 child)
"I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia,"
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Your reading comprehension is extremely poor.
I didn't EVER suggest what sort of order should apply to Australia, I suggested the AUSTRALIAN
GOVERNMENT may have ITS own ideas about order which motivate them to not want Manning to
enter Australia.
Can you not understand that I have no ideas about order but only a suspicion that
the Australian government itself may have certain ideas about order ?
Your English sucks and so do your manners.
I'm done wasting my time on you, that's the end of this discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:03AM
Hey you managed to not add some ridiculous insults that time and it seems your post has not been downmodded. Don't worry guy, other people get downmodded for blatant insults that don't actually help anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:47PM (2 children)
I read down through this sub-thread. I seriously think that you read something into AC's comments that wasn't there. He's really not saying what he thinks Australia should do, or not do. He's pointing out that your government probably has an agenda which Manning could disturb. AC hasn't even hinted at what that agenda might be. Maybe it's something so simple as trying to stay on the "good side" of the US.
Just lighten up, man. This AC seemed to make some reasonable observations about governments in general, and the Oz government in particular. I modded one of AC's posts up - and seriously thought about modding you down.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @10:41PM (1 child)
I would have interpreted that way, it if wasn't for the mixture of "Australian government" with "Australians".
He starts with a note about the govt, then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:13PM
he/she/attackhelicopter/it started with "Maybe" so perhaps this isn't that bad
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday August 31 2018, @09:20AM (1 child)
I'm surprised Manning got a visa in the first place. One of the usual disqualifications is a criminal conviction.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:18PM
then how come so many muslims have been allowed in?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:56AM (2 children)
Australia, among many other countries, reserves the right to prevent people with a criminal record from entering their country. So does the US, Canada, UK, and others around the world. They have the right to refuse entry to anyone they choose. The Australian government don't have to justify their actions to anyone other than the Australian population for whom they are responsible for protecting. Manning has a criminal record. Whether you support what he did or not, whether you agree with his sex and gender choices, or whether you even just think he is an ass or a hero, is totally irrelevant.
Nobody gets upset if any government stops a convicted pedophile from entering the country, nor a terrorist, or mass murderer. But here it seems that some members of our community think that treason is perfectly acceptable. Manning knew the rules when he took on his job in the military, and he knew what he did was wrong. Now he can see the cost of that mistake.
If you are an Australian and don't like the actions of your government then you can do something about it. For the rest of us it is something of a moot point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:18AM (1 child)
Manning wasn't charged with treason. She was charged with the less serious crime of aiding the enemy, but was acquitted of that charge.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @04:25PM
Actually, that's only partially true.:
1. she was convicted on 17 counts, 5 of which were related to espionage and theft [wikipedia.org]. Yes, she was acquitted of aiding the enemy.
2, nevertheless, she remains with a criminal record and yes the Australian regulation allows for a refusal of visa for people with criminal record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:20AM (5 children)
If you betray someone who is evil, then you have done a good thing. So even if someone like Snowden can be considered a traitor to the NSA, he didn't betray The People or the principles this country is supposed to stand for. Same with Manning. That information needed to be known to The People, so his actions were fine.
If you think that betraying someone or something is always wrong, regardless of the circumstances, then you're an idiot.
(Score: 3, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (3 children)
And, once again, an AC fails to see any difference between Snowden and Manning. Sad. No wonder you people are so confused.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:10AM (1 child)
"No wonder you people are so confused."
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They're not confused as much as they are rather stupid and quite ignorant.
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They are trying to participate in a discussion which is above their pay grade and failing miserably
in their attempt.
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As you pointed out, there are substantial differences between what Snowden did and what Manning did. Of course in order to understand these things you need to have spent some time informing yourself on the subjects, and most people don't do that, so they don't really know what they are talking about, but that doesn't slow them down on Soylent !
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:21AM
"Therefore, through these series of steps, Bradley Manning, therefore, was giving aid and comfort to the enemy. A lot of people thought that was kind of a stretch, and in the end, the prosecution did not connect the dots on that for the judge, and she found him not guilty on that point."
Manning was careless and just dumped a load of data. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that The People of the US NEED to know the kind of fucked up things their government is doing then YOU are the problem, a traitor to the constitution, and should be removed from any position of responsibility.
All the various institutions that rely on "loyalty" end up with serious corruption and negative actions, morons like yourself goose-step right along with these fucked up traitors not even realizing what you are doing. It is sad that you think your a patriot, Manning was a hell of a lot braver and more patriotic than you can ever hope to be even with the mistakes she made.
Let me guess, using the proper pronoun just triggered your brain into a quick burst of anger?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:03PM
Both are boys, even if one pretends otherwise.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:35AM
"...his actions were fine."
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That's your opinion.
But it is not a fact.
Are you able to understand the difference, or did your teachers fail that miserably ?