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Australia flags denying U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning entry visa
Australia has signaled it is preparing to ban U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning from entering the country ahead of a scheduled speaking tour, the organizer of the engagements said. Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in military prison for leaking classified data, is scheduled to speak at the Sydney Opera House at the weekend.
However, Suzi Jamil, owner of the company organizing Manning's speaking tour in Australia, said late on Wednesday Manning had received a notice from the Australian government informing her Canberra was considering cancelling her visa. [...] Australian law allows the immigration minister to deny anyone a visa if they do not pass a character test, a broad criteria that affords the government sweeping powers.
Manning is scheduled to travel to New Zealand after finishing her three events in Australia but the center-right opposition National Party has also called for her to be denied entry.
Also at NYT.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:43PM (16 children)
I known traitor is no threat.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:43AM (15 children)
Manning has been going around to various protests in the US and stirring up shit.
That makes Manning a potential undesirable in the eyes of a government which is interested in maintaining order. Maybe the Australians don't want Manning
coming to their country stirring up shit. It would be perfectly reasonable of the Australians to take such a position, and whether you or anyone else on this website agrees or not is immaterial to the Australian government, I assure you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:15AM (11 children)
But they do want the presence of trolls known to disturb the order [news.com.au]?
Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (8 children)
"Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind."
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I don't have any kind of order in mind.
The Australian government and what it might want or not want is what was under discussion.
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Your English is terrible. Are you drunk or are you just stupid ?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:41AM (7 children)
I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:58AM (6 children)
"I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it."
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What I understand is that you are a jerk who makes false accusations for no constructive purpose and lacks the manners to apologize for your poor manners.
(Score: 5, Touché) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @02:12AM (5 children)
I'm a non-native-English speaker who lives in Australia as an Australian citizen. Have a good job here, pay my taxes and I recently bought a piece of acreage at country side with the intent of establishing a farm where only pasture used to be.
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In case you don't get my point, let me spell it for you: in concerning to matters regarding Australia, I reckon I'm more invested in this country than you'll ever be. I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia, I'm in my full rights to do so even when those ideas would be coming from inside the govt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:52AM (1 child)
"I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia,"
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Your reading comprehension is extremely poor.
I didn't EVER suggest what sort of order should apply to Australia, I suggested the AUSTRALIAN
GOVERNMENT may have ITS own ideas about order which motivate them to not want Manning to
enter Australia.
Can you not understand that I have no ideas about order but only a suspicion that
the Australian government itself may have certain ideas about order ?
Your English sucks and so do your manners.
I'm done wasting my time on you, that's the end of this discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:03AM
Hey you managed to not add some ridiculous insults that time and it seems your post has not been downmodded. Don't worry guy, other people get downmodded for blatant insults that don't actually help anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:47PM (2 children)
I read down through this sub-thread. I seriously think that you read something into AC's comments that wasn't there. He's really not saying what he thinks Australia should do, or not do. He's pointing out that your government probably has an agenda which Manning could disturb. AC hasn't even hinted at what that agenda might be. Maybe it's something so simple as trying to stay on the "good side" of the US.
Just lighten up, man. This AC seemed to make some reasonable observations about governments in general, and the Oz government in particular. I modded one of AC's posts up - and seriously thought about modding you down.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @10:41PM (1 child)
I would have interpreted that way, it if wasn't for the mixture of "Australian government" with "Australians".
He starts with a note about the govt, then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:13PM
he/she/attackhelicopter/it started with "Maybe" so perhaps this isn't that bad
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday August 31 2018, @09:20AM (1 child)
I'm surprised Manning got a visa in the first place. One of the usual disqualifications is a criminal conviction.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:18PM
then how come so many muslims have been allowed in?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:56AM (2 children)
Australia, among many other countries, reserves the right to prevent people with a criminal record from entering their country. So does the US, Canada, UK, and others around the world. They have the right to refuse entry to anyone they choose. The Australian government don't have to justify their actions to anyone other than the Australian population for whom they are responsible for protecting. Manning has a criminal record. Whether you support what he did or not, whether you agree with his sex and gender choices, or whether you even just think he is an ass or a hero, is totally irrelevant.
Nobody gets upset if any government stops a convicted pedophile from entering the country, nor a terrorist, or mass murderer. But here it seems that some members of our community think that treason is perfectly acceptable. Manning knew the rules when he took on his job in the military, and he knew what he did was wrong. Now he can see the cost of that mistake.
If you are an Australian and don't like the actions of your government then you can do something about it. For the rest of us it is something of a moot point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:18AM (1 child)
Manning wasn't charged with treason. She was charged with the less serious crime of aiding the enemy, but was acquitted of that charge.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @04:25PM
Actually, that's only partially true.:
1. she was convicted on 17 counts, 5 of which were related to espionage and theft [wikipedia.org]. Yes, she was acquitted of aiding the enemy.
2, nevertheless, she remains with a criminal record and yes the Australian regulation allows for a refusal of visa for people with criminal record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford