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Today, The Verge is publishing an interim edition of Sarah Jeong's The Internet of Garbage, a book she first published in 2015 that has since gone out of print. It is a thorough and important look at the intractable problem of online harassment.
After a year on The Verge's staff as a senior writer, Sarah recently joined The New York Times Editorial Board to write about technology issues. The move kicked off a wave of outrage and controversy as a group of trolls selectively took Sarah's old tweets out of context to inaccurately claim that she is a racist. This prompted a further wave of unrelenting racist harassment directed at Sarah, a wave of coverage examining her tweets, and a final wave of coverage about the state of outrage generally. This is all deeply ironic because Sarah laid out exactly how these bad-faith tactics work in The Internet of Garbage.
[...] The Internet of Garbage provides an immediate and accessible look at how online harassment works, how it might be categorized and distinguished, and why the structure of the internet and the policies surrounding it are overwhelmed in fighting it. Sarah has long planned to publish an updated and expanded second edition, but in this particular moment, I am pleased that she's allowed us to publish this interim edition with a new preface.
In that new preface, Sarah stresses that her original text was written from a place of optimism. But the years since have not been kind to internet culture. She writes that the tactics of Gamergate, so clearly on display during the harassment campaign waged against her over the last few weeks, have "overtaken our national political and cultural conversations." That new culture is driven by the shape of the internet and the interactions it fosters. "We are all victims of fraud in the marketplace of ideas," she writes.
I hope everyone with a true and sincere interest in improving our online communities reads The Internet of Garbage and contends with the scope of the problem Sarah lays out in its pages. We are making the entire text of The Internet of Garbage 1.5 available for free as a PDF, ePub, and .mobi ebook file, and for the minimum allowed price of $.99 in the Amazon Kindle store. Below, we have excerpted Chapter 3, "Lessons from Copyright Law."
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @04:25PM (78 children)
Well, when it's directly and clearly satirizing the things white racists say in context, yeah, it's not racist, and the complainers are concern trolls.
When one of the people leading the campaign to get her fired was the originator of one racist comments she was duplicating the format of to mock and highlight the stupidity of, it becomes clear that the right wing media establishment is made of terminally psychopathic liars whose only concern is winning, and have no standards whatsoever they expect themselves to live up to. the evidence is compelling [twitter.com]
They're all playing idiots like you who never check receipts and buy the narrative they peddle because it makes you feel aggrieved.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @04:34PM (13 children)
So it's not racist to satirize those satirizing racism either or is that still classed as racism? Is Ethanol-fueled a master satirist in your opinion?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 31 2018, @05:01PM (11 children)
That's almost funny. Doesn't quite make it though. No, EF seems to be a genuine racist.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:05PM
As do Sarah Jeong and half of blue-tick twitter.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Friday August 31 2018, @07:07PM (9 children)
I would say that he is just regular grandma racist, but turns it up to 11 online for trolling purposes.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:18PM (8 children)
Grandma racist is 100% genuine racism, it is just gets a bit of a pass because she's old we realize old bitches can't learn new societal norms. The level of shitty language doesn't change someone's racism so what is your point?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @10:33PM (6 children)
So it's OK to say things like "My Granny says njiggers are lazy drunken welfare cheats?" Thanks for the tip.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @10:52PM
I didn't expect you to have reading skills, I highlighted the section where you screwed up.
(Score: 2) by https on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:45AM (4 children)
You could, of course, choose not to be an asshole and simply say only, "granny is exceptionally racist; she lived through the civil rights era and decided to learn nothing from it."
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:42AM (3 children)
If you weren't so intolerant toward your elders you might entertain the notion that Granny lived through that era and LEARNED something. We had a civilization that was the envy of the world, rapidly advancing and generally kick ass. Now we have endless debates about who should use which potty. Maybe change isn't always improvement? Maybe Granny has seen both and realizes we made a wrong turn? Do you ever even allow heretical thoughts like that into your closed mind?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @04:35AM (1 child)
So what prevents us from kicking ass and also making sure that there are enough different kinds of potty available? I don't see why it's one or the other?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:11AM
"One Size Fits All" is good enough for me. If whatcha gotta do involves stripping, use the stall.
Isn't it in France they have "pisseries" right out in the open? Or is that a pissoir?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:15AM
Most of you dipshits want me to use the female potty. Except when there is a proposal to make it so, and then suddenly you want me to use the male potty, because I am unable to go deep stealth and establish a new identity disconnected from my previous identity. And even if I did that (if you caught on), then you would begin accusing me of fraud, lest I rise to an impossible standard of avoiding implying in any way that my previous identity was either male or female, especially given your desire to use violence to enforce a gender caste system.
(The only way you would ever find out is through the ever-present and invasive data collection of the capitalist system. Additionally, your ancestors were not always capitalists, but you refuse to admit that implies there could be a better way of organizing society given the successive evolution of paradigm shifts this implies. If challenged, then you will redefine capitalism to imply that your ancestors were, in fact, capitalists. It goes on and on.)
This is a non-terminating process of tricks, lies, and intellectual sleight of hand. It all stems from your cognitive dissonance about the fact that you are unwilling to cope with reality which is more complicated than childish fairy stories, especially when those without power band together to upset a status quo that you wish would place power in your hands solely because of a circumstance of your birth and an appeal to times gone by, except that it very fucking clearly and presently does not.
You are one of the powerless. Just like us. Deal with it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:41AM
Perhaps. But they can learn to shut up.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:41PM
No, EF is a master baiter. There's a difference.
(Score: 3, Troll) by jmorris on Friday August 31 2018, @04:36PM (50 children)
Candace Owens was put in Twitter jail for reposting Sarah and switching out the target groups. So your premise is also rejected. Sarah was not responding to trolls in many of her racist posts, she was not trolling. She is, like many of the Blue Ckeck Maffia, actually racist. Now if we are going to decide "and that isn't a bad thing" then OK, she gets to keep her career. But not until Milo gets his twitter back along with the thousands banned since he was the canary in the coal mine. Not until the thousands of others who have been deplatformed, disemployed, etc. get reparations.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @04:38PM (49 children)
You could actually look at the example I gave. Or you could commit yourself deeper to spouting bullshit white grievances explicitly started by Nazis. Knowing your posting history, I have a guess which direction you're gonna break.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Friday August 31 2018, @04:56PM (38 children)
Every one of her tweets was reposted to gab so we could all have a look, her story is old and the facts aren't in dispute at this point. Ace at Ace of Spades HQ did an epic defenstration of her. Along with thousands more now being curated over on twitter under the #VerifiedHate hashtag where racist tweets by the Blue Check Mafia are being archived against deletion then highlighted with a bio of the racist, indicating which media property(s) they draw a check from. Most of these are also being gated into Gab where I have already seen them.
And you are, intentionally, missing the point. I do not care if the bitch was being sarcastic, trollish or "highlighting a problem" since when our side does any of those things it has already been ruled to be "not a defense. BANNED!" by Twitter. I did not make those rules, her side did and she wholeheartedly approves of them being applied with gusto to my side. Yet she not only still has an account, she has a blue check of approval by Jack. His testimony next week should be interesting.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @05:28PM (34 children)
Because it's not racism, when it's making fun of you fucks.
Heck, it shouldn't even be amoral to kill you fucks.
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Friday August 31 2018, @05:44PM (25 children)
There, I knew you would eventually come on out and say it. Give in to your hate, release it. Racism is OK when you do it. Racism is OK when she does it. You really aren't going to like the next part of that progression your new rules is setting up.
Diversity + Proximity = War. The rise of the Alt-Right is directly tied to realization of the unshakable Truth in that equation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Friday August 31 2018, @06:36PM (24 children)
Diversity + Proximity + Tolerance works just fine. You only get war when one subgroup refuses to stay out of their neighbors business and just live and let live. Why do you care what color skin your neighbor has, who they have sex with, or what god they worship? So long as they're not trying to force you to participate it's absolutely no skin off your nose.
How exactly is not tolerating intolerance racism? You're not born to intolerance, you choose it, every single time you express it. Intolerance is in fact the only thing that can't be tolerated in a peaceful diverse society, and there's absolutely nothing ironic or hypocritical about that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:23PM
It is amazing the mental gymnastics racists perform to try and justify their beliefs. The millions of people in the Bay Area and New York beg to differ with jmorris' absolute stupidity.
Thankfully Trump has made these morons feel comfortable posting their bullshit they fearfully kept hidden. Now we know who to dismiss as alt-right racist cranks and who might be worth having discussions with.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 31 2018, @09:24PM (4 children)
Idiots like J-Mo aren't equipped to handle Popper's Paradox of Tolerance. They are either intellectually or emotionally incompetent to understand the reality that the fewest restrictions up front does *not* necessarily translate to the most freedom for the most people the most amount of time.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:37AM (3 children)
There is no paradox of tolerance. Let's recall what Popper actually wrote on the paradox:
Tolerating intolerant beliefs doesn't imply that one tolerates murder in the streets. While there may be ameliorating context outside of this paragraph, Popper commits a serious slippery slope fallacy here that tolerating intolerant beliefs then segues into tolerating physical attacks and such even though by no stretch of the imagination are they legitimate means of discourse, and then equates any flavor of intolerant belief with the subset of intolerance that settles disagreement with violence. Finally, he doesn't consider how this intolerance can be abused. I think we're seeing a taste of it today, where rival beliefs can be declared to be "intolerant" (often without regard for the content of the beliefs) and hence, fair game for preemptive intolerance.
That I think is the paradox of intolerance of intolerance. Once you do it, you and your beliefs fall solidly in the category of things against which you are supposedly intolerant. You should be intolerant of yourself and your beliefs! Not going to happen in practice, of course.
Instead a far better approach (one which I might add has been rather successful with respect to dealing with discrimination in the workplace) is to tolerate the belief, but don't tolerate the observable, harmful behavior. That eliminates most of the Orwellian facets of the Popper approach. Often it also means that you don't have to care what people believe. If someone assaults another, it doesn't matter what either of them believed (except perhaps as a means to further demonstrate guilt of the attacker in court).
(Score: 5, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:46AM (2 children)
Oh for fuck's sake, no, he does NOT commit a slippery slope fallacy, he says that tolerating intolerance is a contradiction in terms. It has nothing to do with people misusing or misunderstanding what intolerance actually means.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:24AM
The obvious rebuttal is:
khallow is black.
I kept getting these uber-libertarian vibes from khallow, the inability to engage in rational debate base on facts and rational principles, but then it hit me, he argues just like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas (married to a white woman, so it's OK). Now, at long last, I understand khallow, and I am holding an obvious rebuttal in his honor.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:17AM
Fortunately, I anticipated this very argument by stating how the fallacy was committed.
When you're assaulting people with fists or pistols, you're no longer engaged in legitimate discourse or merely having intolerant beliefs. There is no logical reason that even extreme tolerance of beliefs implies tolerance of assault. Yet that's the avenue that Popper went down. Hence, the slippery slope.
I see also that you apparently missed the part of my post where I noted intolerant beliefs doesn't mean violent intolerant beliefs. There are three errors here, not just one.
Did I say otherwise? That is the third error of Popper's argument, not the first or second.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Friday August 31 2018, @09:40PM (4 children)
Alright. Tolerance + Proximity - Diversity is also alright. Why are we so convinced diversity is a good thing, in general, for societies? Why are we so selective on which societies we want to force to be diverse? You know, let's start shipping 10s of thousands of settlers into non-diverse, non-European countries to help combat their "diversity problem". We can even help them write a proper constitution, set up reasonable legal systems, and give them a bump up the cultural ladder. Let's start with Israel.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Aegis on Friday August 31 2018, @11:42PM
Why are we so convinced diversity is a good thing, in general, for societies?
Diversity is a fact. Our society is comprised of a diverse group of people.
It's like the moon, it just exists. It's kind of immaterial whether it's good or bad.
What's good is acknowledging the existence of these facts and planning accordingly. Sea voyages go much quicker when you plan for the effects of the moon on the tide.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:48AM (2 children)
Probably because we have a lot of history that shows it to be a good thing in the long term. For example, it's a huge driver for scientific and business endeavors. Since all the smart people don't belong to one particular ethnic group, a society which mixes successfully a lot of cultures is going to have a stronger scientific foundation and greater creativity than one that strongly favors a few cultures. And a huge part of business is trade. The more diverse society can trade more effectively with other societies (less of a knowledge barrier, for example).
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:35AM (1 child)
Khallow, honorary member of the Liberal Society.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:37AM
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Saturday September 01 2018, @12:11AM (12 children)
Ten years ago I'd have been posting that sort of thing on the Green site. But reality kept saying something different and eventually I had to accept that reasoning was wrong. Social cohesion drops as diversity rises. This is stable and repeatable worldwide. It is science. Violence rises as diversity rises. Tribal behavior rises as societies become more diverse. Exactly like Socialism, we have run this experiment a lot of times in a lot of places with a lot of variations and we keep getting the same result. So we can either do what the Socialists do, insist that "real Socialism" hasn't been tried yet, we can say "Diversity IS a Strength, we just have to try it harder!" until we all die from Diversity or we can admit we were wrong.
On one level it IS true we haven't really tried Diversity & Tolerance since White people have been the only ones playing that game and never insisted the other groups had to play by those rules, which should have been the first warning However it is clear that nobody else had or has the slightest interest in playing that game.
But that is the entire point of the game, isn't it? We had a society operating under broadly tolerant Christian European norms. Every "Diverse" element wants to tear down one or more aspects of that and substitute their cultural norms. The Black Nationalists want gibs at gunpoint and general lawlessness. The Hispanics want to simply tear off chunks of the U.S. and make it Mexico again, but with more gibs. The Muslims want to impose their alien Sharia Law, declare further elections Haram etc. The TGBTPP2Bblahblah crowd wants to redefine every sexual norm, force everyone to participate and to cap it off they insist on the right to molest children. The hippies of the 60's have made it clear that when they were demanding free speech it was to be for them to speak and everyone else to listen and obey on pain of death.
So your task is to explain how one even imagines a coherent society that can allow all of those groups to co-exist in peace. The contradictions are simply insurmountable.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:15AM (4 children)
>On one level it IS true we haven't really tried Diversity & Tolerance since White people have been the only ones playing that game
Umm, what nation have you been living in? Certainly not the U.S., because a trivial analysis of the statistics (or pretty much any honest in-depth or convoluted one) will show you that white men have NOT as a class been playing that game. Talking the talk has been popular, but we're still a LONG way away from walking the walk. Start walking the walk, as a white male dominated society (i.e. stop being a white male dominated society), and we can start telling the oppressed races, cultures, and genders to stop badmouthing us. Until then, badmouthing their oppressors is about the only relief they get.
As for your gibs - you've been watching too much propaganda I think. Or just overindulging in your own privilege. Most every person everywhere just wants to be left alone. They don't want to impose their culture on you, they just want to be free to express it instead of having your culture crammed down their throat. Even most Muslims despise Sharia law, and the LBGT... don't want you to participate, they just want you to leave them alone and not discriminate against them. And who they share their bed with is really none of your business.
How do you unite all those in peace. Easy - as a baseline: any action which doesn't hurt any other person, or disadvantage any class of people, is permissible. Anything that does, isn't.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:37AM (3 children)
So the only way to prove white people aren't racist is to, in every white homeland at once, become a minority and pray we don't get genocided as happens every other time that event happens. Sorry, I think I'd rather be a live racist than a dead idiot. Hope you aren't too triggered.
It really is a no-win scenario you are trying to get us to agree to. Blacks moved into the cities in large numbers and they turned into shitholes. Whites fled to refugee camps in the surrounding areas. That was deemed "White Flight" and proof of being racist. So Yuppies moved back and began reclaiming the cities for civilization. Gentrification! RACIST! Hispanics at least brought in some nice food. But if declare I don't like tacos I'm, you guessed it, a RACIST. And if I do like tacos and make some I'm a cultural appropriator and again I'm racist. If I declare we should have race neutral hiring practices and strive for a color blind society I'm a racist for failing to take into account some mysterious "white privilege" that makes a poor white child in West Virgina more privileged than the child of a black NYC lawyer. So ok, that won't work so lets DO notice race. Kafka trap! That is RACIST RACIST RACIST!! ELEVENTY!!!
The winning move is to realize everybody does notice race, races do differ and that is OK. To realize "racist" is a recently invented word (ask Google) designed to bullicide white people into self-genocide. See South Africa for the white minority future you have planned for my people. No. I think I'll push for zero immigration, "encouraging" culturally incompatible people, like Muslims, to go home and work on trying to assimilate what is left to a coherent unified culture again. And hope the Europeans adopts similar same policies and thus survives.
And just who is this "we"? Google "ethnic background of family names Immerman" and first hit says you are probably (((my fellow white people))) with a backup ethnostate to run to if your social experiment in eliminating whiteness has the expected result.
On gab there is a popular meme where a Twitter user is identified using "My fellow white people" or some similar variation and searching their timeline for an admission of being a Jew. Then post both tweets with "EVERY. SINGLE. TIME." under it. Obviously can't post those on Twitter other than from a disposable account because noticing is an instant banning offense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:28AM
You seem to have the causation backwards.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Saturday September 01 2018, @07:03AM (1 child)
The "white homeland" of homo sapiens sapiens, is Africa. Own it, dude! There are no "whites", there are only homo sapiens that did not get enough sun. Palefaces. Deficient pigmentation. They burn easily, thus Sarah's point. I, for one, want a white genocide for Christmas. Jesus was not white. Mohammed was not white. Buddha was not white. There have been no white saviours, which is why white people suck so much and should just die. Of course, the difficulty is, that jmorris is not white. In fact, nobody is "white" because "white" is not a race. It is a back formation from American Racist Slavery, where "Black" meant "slave" and stripped those people of their culture and heritage, and even their names (Kunta Kinte, anyone?). So everyone who was not a slave was "white" by default. No wonder these scum of the earth neo-confederates from the scum sucking white places like Louisiana where jmorris is from, hang on to this appellation so strongly. At least they are not n*****, with the irony being, if they define themselves against "Blackness" as such, they are.
So, once again, this is why we cannot have white supremacy: white folks be too dumb, and they are not even white. And this is also why there cannot be a White Wakanda, again, white folks be too dumb. It is also why there are Black Holes in the universe, but there are no White holes, "thas racist!"
My god, these honkeis be dumb!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @08:13AM
I have never heard that before, and it would explain a great deal. It might even help explain the train wreck that is the fashwave movement (postmodernism on steroids with a hint of... constructivism?).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:32AM (2 children)
"We"... who?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:32AM (1 child)
Hopefully not those Germans! Or those Irish! We should throw those invaders out.
Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall!
Fillmore! Fillmore! Fillmore!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @07:06AM
Hadrian's Wall? Or the Magninot Line? Walls to keep out Germans never works, of American would not have the bastard grandson of a draft-dodging whore-monger as it's president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:46AM (2 children)
Dontcha love Yiannopoulos, why forgetting him so suddenly?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:00AM
LOL! That was perhaps the single best clapback in the entire thread.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @08:19AM
Yiannopoulos would be a good example except for his connection with pedophilia. However, somebody who also believes that GBT people (the "lickbutts" as opposed to the steamy hot lesbians...) are pedophiles might miss this... and might also presume that lesbians exist solely for male sexual gratification.... Just sayin'
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:25AM
In all this talk of tribalism and such, who are "white people". What tribe do they belong to?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:57PM
You're working real hard on getting Trump a second term, huh?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:51PM
Aww, you got baited. You just gave jmorris credibility by losing your cool. That is their #1 favorite tactic, get you to lose your shit so THEY look like the reasonable people in the room. Emotional manipulation 101 which is why every GOP rally is FUD FUD FUD with "we are your saviors who will fix everything by cutting taxes! Not your taxes, but big business taxes! Yeaaah!!!! WOOOO! Don't worry, it will CREATE JERBS!"
What a bunch of morons, but they really are quite good at gaslighting. Don't be a sucker ikanreed, next time you find yourself getting upset by one of these dumb discussions just end it with some trollish insults of your own. The more you work in the cause of reason against trolls the more arguments will slip through your fingers.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @12:50AM (5 children)
Called it [soylentnews.org]. The money quote from you, ikanreed at that link:
Who knew that irrational, hard-core bigots don't have even an inkling how to communicate in good faith with the targets of their bigotry? Who knew?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:29AM (1 child)
I'd point things out but I know you wouldn't understand or benefit from them. Summary: you're wrong.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:42AM
Am I the only person on the internet? Point them out for the other readers. I think the real problem is that my rebuttal to your "things" will be more enlightening than your post will be. And that would mean you would risk learning something today.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @08:22AM (2 children)
There is an obvious rebuttal lurking here that involves the Dunning-Kruger effect.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:09AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 02 2018, @09:48AM
Respondat khallow:
O. M. G.! Khallow! You are sooooo powned! Didn't you see this coming? Wow! Just Wow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:51PM (2 children)
"We" here being the alt-right neo-Nazis? Yeah, that's what free speech is all about! Zieg Heil, jmorris!!
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday September 01 2018, @09:35PM (1 child)
Of course we got Nazis, Neo-Nazis, Neon-Nazis and even stranger things on Gab. Where else they gonna go? But we increasingly have everything else too. Last week the running joke was that God has a strange sense of humor since the "White Nationalist" platform's whole front page "hot topics" section was in Portuguese. They were onboarding tens of thousands of Brazilians as Twitter was deplatforming an entire political party down there and they were fleeing in mass to Gab, causing a huge spike in traffic, driving the need for automatic translation to get finished NOW instead of a "when we get a few spare round 'tuits." issue, etc. A few weeks ago it was Kenyans streaming in for the same reason, only most of them post in English.
As Twitter drives in more diverse populations the "Legions of the Damned" feel is settling down. Soon it will look more like 2015 Twitter, before Mr. Trump came down the escalator and drove the Silicon Valley Communists insane. Remember when Twitter represented itself as the Free Speech wing of the Free Speech party? That deletion of their mission statement was July of 2015, seems like a different age because it was. Three years.
The rate of change will increase form here until we get a dramatic conclusion, one way or the other.
Enjoy the show.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 02 2018, @09:51AM
Portuguese, Priests? Franco is still dead, and so is Salazar. The better not come here! JR don't allow no furrin languages here on SoylentNews.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @04:57PM (9 children)
That's your defense, that Sarah Jeong isn't racist because she's satirizing people satirizing Nazis?
(Score: 0, Troll) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @05:09PM (8 children)
No. That's dumb and you're dumb for reading that in my post.
My defense is:
She was satrizing racists who made explicit claims of black inferiority with a "[same thing but with white people]" joke.
and also, separately,
Nazis started a astroturf campaign to get her fired(and the evidence is there, it's actual nazis who started it) and you're a dumbfuck who bought into it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:21PM (7 children)
> everyone who disagrees with me is dumb
> everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi
(Score: 2, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @05:26PM (5 children)
1. You're dumb. You don't need to overextrapolate.
2. The evidence exists. The controversy was started by nazis [vox.com]. If it starts looking like everyone you agree with are nazis, maybe the problem isn't with people pointing it out to you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:00PM (4 children)
The Daily Caller was co-founded by Tucker Carlson, on what planet is he a National Socialist or part of the alt-right? Jim Hoft and Gateway Pundit I know nothing about but I doubt they tick these boxes either. Weev... had nothing to do with this otherwise nonsensical, libelous article.
I do not agree with the ideas espoused by National Socialists or members of the alt-right. Maybe the problem is that you don't know what a Nazi is?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:46PM (3 children)
A quick look at the Daily Caller and Gateway Pundit and it is clear that they are GOP propaganda platforms with a mix of race baiting and some token "hey look a story with black protagonists!" as a drop-in for "I have a good friend who is black!"
Billionaire connects with Blue Collar workers.
Black pastor does boob grab, "This is sick"
Obama gutted due process
Drunk driver turns out to be illegal alien
Trump's poll numbers are actually great!!!
Yaaaaa, that is one shitty "news" site aimed to keep conservatives pissed off and pushing pro GOP bullshit to try and keep their support base from listening to reality. They even have an article for that, "Washington Post reporter suggests trump supporters aren't rooted in a reality based community". That statement is quite provably true and is solidified by your chosen Traitor in Chief who lies to your faces so blatantly and repeatedly shows himself as morally bankrupt.
I can forgive a good bit of Trump support for believing in his bullshit promises, but at this point you have to be willfully ignorant to continue supporting him. If a boob grab is "sick" then how the fuck did "grab em' by the pussy" get elected? Mr. Adultery the wife rapist who says he could murder someone in full public view and still have support?
Want to talk reality? Explain that level of hypocrisy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @10:00PM (2 children)
A quick look at The Verge and Vox and it is clear that they are progressive propaganda platforms with a mix of race baiting and some token "hey look a story with 'alt-right' protagonists!".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @10:46PM (1 child)
A stupid asshat just doing a search/replace on a comment has no brain.
The Verge: just checked, mostly looks like corporate advertising. The worst two articles I found were "A conservative Facebook would probably fail — but Facebook should worry about it anyway" and "The Ford Focus is dead in the US because of Trump’s trade war" which are hardly register on the level of propaganda pushed by the conservative sites. No race related crap anywhere on the homepage that I can see. Everything on there is legit news or corporate ads.
Vox is more political with "Trump just lost his best chance to kill DACA this year" and "Robert Mueller got another cooperator", also "Al Sharpton: Aretha Franklin worked for civil rights, not Donald Trump" and "Why obvious lies make great propaganda". So you have a valid point about Vox but I still don't see the same level of rhetoric and obvious manipulation as on the conservative propaganda sites.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @01:21AM
The Verge is owned by Vox.
Political bias exists but isn't equal. So Red State [redstate.com] is on my current reading list, doubt you'll read a mea culpa about that particular story on the progressive sites. The center left are siding with the center right because the far-left is insane and they're infiltrating mainstream politics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:31PM
Thanks for making that clear. I know you were going for sarcasm, but all you did is nail the point that you are dumb. Whether you're a nazi is another matter, but it seems likely you have sympathies in that direction at least.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 31 2018, @04:49PM (7 children)
So, uhhhhhhh - she engages in race baiting, with other race baiters, online. She claims she was "satirizing" the other race baiters. So - she gets a free pass? Uh-huh. "But she was just mimicking those dirty white racists!" Somehow, that just doesn't cut it with me. If men and women around the country can be castigated, and even fired, for comments made a decade or more ago, this chick don't get no free pass. That goes double for someone with an education. Sarah was engaging in this racist nonsense AFTER she got her degree, and AFTER she was employed as an *cough* adult. What she posted online can be taken as her current attitude. She thinks white people suck.
Of course, saying that white people suck is in vogue these days.
(Score: 2, Troll) by ikanreed on Friday August 31 2018, @04:52PM (5 children)
Yeah, sure. That's a fine narrative to tell yourself.
No way the context explicitly given to you as a link establishes anything different.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 31 2018, @05:11PM (4 children)
From your link:
Yes, I looked. Your link stars yet another asswipe making excuses for Jeong's racist remarks.
You WILL NOTE, please, that I'm not defending any of those racists who attacked Sarah, presumably because she's Asian. They are racists, and assholes. But, Sarah most definitely sank to their level - if that is, she ever was above their level.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:03PM (3 children)
I don't think Runaway should be modded troll here. While I am of the opinion that her tweets were not actually as hateful as they appear they are still a load of hateful garbage even as jokes.
I think the white oppression bit is ridiculous and overblown, but it is still a valid complaint they have that everybody should be held to the same standard.
Runaway those two paragraphs should explain everything to you. I agree that we should just fix this by holding everyone to the same standard, but you should really see why people aren't taking the hysteria about these tweets as seriously as they take actual racism. Trying to equate the two just comes off as defending the racists by playing "whataboutism". Just condemn the bigotry wherever it occurs, but don't mix-and-match to try and minimize or amplify.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:30PM
I don't think Runaway should be modded "Troll", either, since he is so bad at it. But we do not have a "ignorant hillbilly fellow traveller" mod. So, until we do . . .
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:03AM (1 child)
That's quite the piece of work. Why? is the obvious question here. If racism is supposed to be bad, then why is it ok to be racist?
There is a vastly simpler principle than that of hypocrisy. Treat everyone the same regardless of ethnicity. Don't make spurious exceptions merely because dead people were historically oppressed (or whatever excuse du jour is pulled out).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @06:06AM
Indeed... In my day the most widespread teaching was to "judge people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Nowadays it is not uncommon for skin color to be the primary factor of judgement, and some also expect to receive preferential treatment based on it. [npr.org]
It all seems like a step backwards.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @10:36PM
My granny says "an educated njigger like Sarah is similar to a monkey with a masters degree."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:28PM (4 children)
Who is Angus Johnston?
Why are half the posts images that cut off half the text they're trying to quote?
Shouldn't there be posts from Jeong responding to a racist? Who is this racist (racists?)? Is Johnston the original racist??? I am so confused.
I swear I have no idea what jmorris or AC are talking about or what you are talking about or what the hell any of this is about other than jmorris being butthurt because he doesn't have a blue checkmark. However, I would still like to have some idea WTF???
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Friday August 31 2018, @06:03PM (3 children)
Ace has been the best at nuking this story from orbit. So I'm just gonna link to some of his greatest hits to get you up to speed.
NYT Hires Virulent Racist for Their Editorial Board; The Cucks, Get This, Insist That She Should Keep Her Job [ace.mu.nu]
Here he documents some of her "greatest hits", links to a Federalist article with more and then gets to the heart of my argument about rejecting a dual caste society. Also, as implied by the title, a lot of abuse heaped upon the cruise ship #NeverTrump cucks. These new deplatforming rules either apply to everyone (and everyone is going to be unemployed and the Internet will go dark from lack of users) or they are going to be rewritten to rules everyone can agree to actually live under.
Then there is It's About Time: Autotrader Announces it Will No Longer Advertise on Samantha Bee's Show [ace.mu.nu]
Not exactly related but I'm including it because it is in the same wheelhouse and has this incredible part that I'm going to just quote for those unwilling to click across:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:37PM
Ok. Let me make this simple, you two drama queens.
Let's start with one (1) question. WHO THE FUCK IS ANGUS JOHNSTON?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @09:21PM (1 child)
why can't some people just stop being jerks and find something better to do?
free speech is great. don't be a jerk is all i would ask for in return.
before anyone says but she or he said this or that, they are not you. if everyone wasn't a jerk on purpose there'd be less need to reciprocate for something that didn't happen to someone who thought better of being a jerk and decided to go outside and play or something instead.
debate/arguing/fighting all cool. being a jerk about it, no
i guess that leads to arguments about what it means philsophically to be a jerk. it's the same definition as obscenity, but not the same thing. in other words i know it when i see it!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:53PM
We need to get that abomination of a 'standard' out of the courts. Even if obscenity could be objectively defined, the government has no Constitutional authority to ban it.