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CNBC:
There are over 4,000 colleges and universities in the United States, but Harvard Business School professor Clayton Christensen says that half are bound for bankruptcy in the next few decades.
Christensen is known for coining the theory of disruptive innovation in his 1997 book, "The Innovator's Dilemma." Since then, he has applied his theory of disruption to a wide range of industries, including education.
In his recent book, "The Innovative University," Christensen and co-author Henry Eyring analyze the future of traditional universities, and conclude that online education will become a more cost-effective way for students to receive an education, effectively undermining the business models of traditional institutions and running them out of business.
What percentage of their graduates will be bankrupt?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @10:52AM (45 children)
He's most likely wrong. Most people who base predictions solely on their own pet theory tend to be. Especially when that theory doesn't take into account that the people in charge are capable of seeing badness coming and taking steps to avoid it.
That said, it would be one of the best things to happen to higher education in the States in the past hundred years if he were right. College campuses are one of the best example of echo chambers in the States today. They produce and reinforce views as far outside mainstream American thinking as closed militia compounds or cults do.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @11:26AM (3 children)
students in deep debt, costs rising far in excess of the 'net learning', growth in admin staff .. these are all real factors. why do you think he's wrong? do you have evidence that more than a few schools have done intelligent work to counter the trends, or that they can?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @11:42AM (2 children)
Oh they absolutely can. They are in fact the only ones who can. It just remains to be seen if they will choose existence over keeping the same business practices.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @01:00PM
alright man, thanks
(Score: 3, Insightful) by AssCork on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:39PM
/me glares at RIAA & MPAA.
Just popped-out of a tight spot. Came out mostly clean, too.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday September 05 2018, @12:07PM (21 children)
"mainstream American thinking" - ha! I don't know if you realize there's no such a thing, the mainstream American DOES NOT THINK. he just reacts
He's dreaming he's an exceptional billionaire albeit temporary embarrassed, believes that hard work is all that's needed to succeed, waste a big amount of neuron-time being outraged by what Rep/Dem/others do or speak and all the remaining time watching 'ctelectual super-heroes movies.
Some of them even waste time posting on S/N (instead of, e.g., going fishing)
Do you really believe those are signs of the superior neurological activity usually denoted as "thinking"?
(large grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @12:22PM (10 children)
You're absolutely correct. You should fish more.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday September 05 2018, @12:31PM (9 children)
End of winter. Not the best season for fishing in Melbourne. Commenting on S/N will have to do for now. (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @12:56PM (8 children)
Fish still bite in the winter (just a bit slower) and you don't have to worry about it getting too hot to even breathe. Mind you, you may need a boat to get to the deeper waters where they hang out when it's cold.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday September 05 2018, @03:44PM (7 children)
Nice try, TMB. Melbourne has an unpleasant weather at its best.
Winter time, the wind is most likely killing you. Literally, if in a boat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @04:27PM (6 children)
Nope, if them crazy-ass yankees can cut holes in foot thick ice to fish, you can put warmer clothes on.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday September 05 2018, @10:47PM (5 children)
that TMB? Mainstream yankee! (grin)
Mate, in Melbourne you're not gonna see frozen waterways.
The wind will literally kill you by the swells it creates on water. Occasionally, news here announce 1-2 Darwin award winners after the dingy they were in capsized or was pushed some tens of km offshore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 06 2018, @12:23AM (4 children)
Right. I forget you lot don't really have any water to speak of that comes without waves.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Thursday September 06 2018, @01:21AM (3 children)
Technically, you can have it: just fill the bathtub (and, to avoid swells, make sure yo mamma stays away from it). Granted, no fish will bite under these circumstances, but you can still experience the 'wait for the bite' feeling.
To my taste, tho', posting shit on S/N is a more rewarding experience than fishing in the bathtub - I get infinitely more bites here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 06 2018, @01:49AM (2 children)
Wait, you can't drive under two hours to Emerald Lake or Lake Corangamite? Or, you know, fish in the Yarra or one of the two bays you have handy? I don't think you're trying very hard.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday September 06 2018, @02:42AM (1 child)
Lake Corangamite is about 1 hour drive from where I live. Except it's a hypersaline endorheic lake [wikipedia.org] - the mud there literally reeks and the fish .. wikipedia say there should be some but I doubt it.
For the Emerald Lake (actually Lake Treganowan - the other one is a water reservoir - deep, former tree trunks still standing on the bottom after flooding the valey) - I guess I could.
But it's about 4 hours drive from where I live, need to cross the city to get to the other side.
Unless I plan to spend the night somewhere there, it becomes a 8 hours driving experience. Winter time, that's the entire daylight time you have during the day.
There are places that offers organized recreational fishing in ponds they populated with trout (small fish-farming operations), but... naah... can't say I enjoy fishing enough to do it winter time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 06 2018, @11:26AM
Man, I hate me some cold too but there's a lot to be said for either having the morning entirely to yourself or having the company of a very few other crazy bastards who likely have some quite interesting lies to tell. Bundle up good enough and take plenty of coffee and it's quite pleasant and relaxing. Actually catching anything is just kind of a bonus.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday September 05 2018, @02:33PM (8 children)
relevant XKCD [xkcd.com]
Why are you limiting it to Americans? Lots of people from other countries are fairly mindless a lot of the time. Heck, you might be one of them: A lot of people have no original thoughts prior to getting to work, for instance.
About the only aspect that might be uniquely American is the relatively large religion industry that carries a strong anti-intellectual streak and thus actively wants its people to avoid thinking.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday September 05 2018, @03:47PM
Am I? I just pointed the contradiction in terms in the given context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:21PM (1 child)
Allow me to introduce you to the entire middle east.
The barely still functioning religion "industry" in the US pales in comparison to the power of the religious zealots in other parts of the world.
I'm going to assume that you're a Democrat and you actually think that religion still has some sort of power, and that this somehow explains everything about the Republicans.
No.
Just like the labor movement is essentially dead on the left, the religious are also pretty much finished as well, or will be in 30 years or so.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by i286NiNJA on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:14PM
Seems to me they managed to elect Bush jr twice not too long ago plus they have one of their own as vice president.
We may even see a right wing religious nutball in the whitehouse before long. Then we'll see them lose their embarrassment and return to the spotlight. Especially as the left gets tired of it's own moral authoritarianism.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:39PM (4 children)
Open your mind and see the full horror. The modern American (and now Western) university IS a religious institution. They are in fact functioning mostly as religious seminaries. And they are violently anti-intellectual because Cultural Marxism is not a religion capable of withstanding any reflection or criticism. Critical Theory is designed only to destroy, not create.
The older Christian Western Civilization it has now replaced was capable of sustaining The Enlightenment, Progressivism can't sustain a debate on bathrooms without resorting to violence to end the debate.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday September 05 2018, @08:37PM (3 children)
Have you attended university recently, out of curiosity? Because while your description perfectly matches right-wing characterizations of what universities are like, that doesn't match my experience of attending one, nor my experience working for a different one. Oh, and my alma mater is sometimes cited as the ur example of a misguided liberal institution controlled by anti-intellectual cultural marxists or what have you.
For what it's worth, my alma mater, which again is often the target of this kind of criticism:
- Had active fairly conservative student organizations like Young Republicans and an evangelical Christian group who ran Sunday morning services. These groups had significant membership.
- Had avowed conservatives on the faculty.
- Regularly had satires of liberalism published in the student papers. For example, a buddy of mine wrote a comic strip for a while called "My So-Called Left" that was specifically poking at the campus socialist groups.
- Also had regular satires of liberalism just pop up randomly on campus. For instance, one group advertised a talk on "The Revolutionary Ideas of Karl Marx". The next day, another set of posters popped up looking almost identical but advertising a talk on "The Revolutionary Ideas of Ronald Reagan".
- The economics course I took taught Mankiw, Friedman, and Keynes, not Marx or Stiglitz or Galbraith. I realize that you probably find those guys still too liberal, because they aren't von Mises, Hayek, or Fama, but it's still a long way from Marxism.
- The English course I took taught, among other mostly-long-dead authors, Heinlein.
- As far as sustained debates on bathrooms, lots of bathrooms were co-ed, because nobody cared enough to do sex-segregated bathrooms. The actual raging debate at the time had to do with trying to force the school into allowing co-ed dorm rooms for people who wanted to do that.
- Was regularly visited by avowed conservatives like Arthur Laffer. They were able to speak without incident beyond some questions they couldn't answer very well. The speaker that got the harshest reception was part of the Clinton administration.
- I never once observed a faculty member attempt to suppress conservative ideas if they were well-supported and well-argued and relevant.
- We were reasonably well-behaved towards protesters, including a conservative preacher telling us we were all fornicators doomed to hell, and a visit by the Westboro Baptist Church.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 05 2018, @09:26PM
I'm not sure why you would bother.
jmorris has a fixed and very limited view of the world, as his right-wing talking point comments show.
He uses terms like "Cultural Marxism" and is trying to pretend that Christianity was a supporter of the Enlightenment, instead of the oppressors they really were.
He also wrote:
as if it isn't the weirdo right-wing Christians in some parts of the US that are obsessed by which bathrooms people use.
At least you provided some context and a few real world examples to back your point up, so thanks.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday September 05 2018, @09:34PM
UCB?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday September 06 2018, @03:12AM
Can't offhand find the article I wanted (by Jonathan Haidt, IIRC) but this one skims over the same topic:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/1/liberal-majority-on-campus-yes-were-biased/ [washingtontimes.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DannyB on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:39PM
There is. It is whatever the TV tells you to think.
To transfer files: right-click on file, pick Copy. Unplug mouse, plug mouse into other computer. Right-click, paste.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday September 05 2018, @01:02PM (3 children)
Definition of a bubble is the participants don't do the above. See real estate, dotcoms, peak oil related issues, higher ed bubble, etc.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @02:08PM
Don't != can't though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:43PM (1 child)
The deficit.
Climate change.
Windows Server 2019
To transfer files: right-click on file, pick Copy. Unplug mouse, plug mouse into other computer. Right-click, paste.
(Score: 4, Funny) by AssCork on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:48PM
Oh c'mon, it's not even. . .
. . . okay, it's worse than we thought.
Just popped-out of a tight spot. Came out mostly clean, too.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @01:50PM (4 children)
Holy crap, you Fox News types really eat that shit up, don't you? Talk about living in a bubble! So what do "mainstream Americans" think? Apparently what Fox News tells them to think, even if it means completely flip-flopping on what were supposed to be basic, core principles like free trade, the evils of tariffs, welfare (to farmers), and Executive Overreach. Remember those very quaint ideas? How do you justify complete and fundamental flip-flopping on these so-called basic and fundamental principles over the course of about two years? Starting trade wars, especially with our best and biggest friends and allies, was always far outside mainstream American thinking.
Sounds to me like we need these Evil Leftwing institutions more than ever to counteract the far outside teachings of Fox News.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @02:11PM (2 children)
You realize you're talking to a guy who disconnected the rabbit ears that were his only source of live television programming from his TV this year due to not having used them in over two years, yes?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:51PM (1 child)
ok i believe you
you do not need fox news to be the way you are. there are a lot of people that are not genuine, though, and we're lucky to have you here because you're the real thing.
it is very bad when we meet people that aren't sure what their views are because they haven't watched tv lately.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @09:03PM
Yup. I can agree on that regardless of which talking heads they let do their thinking for them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @04:45PM
Sad that you do not understand this. Let me tell you why the people you insult do not in fact think what the Fox News tells them. I have been separated form my native land for a quarter century. But if you asked me a political question, something hypothetical or from current events, I can easily tell you what the general consensus among my old countrymen would be about this topic. It doesn't mean I watched some obscure news channel and gobbled up nonsense, it just means I am in-tuned to how they view the world having had grown up in their culture, and being part of it.
See having mainstream views is not fucking unique to America. I could ask a Chinese ex-pat living in the US for over a decade what the Chinese would think about some topic, and they would likely give me a very accurate answer.
The thing you should really consider is why you are so out of tune with your countrymen. What kind of nonsense polluted your head?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Weasley on Wednesday September 05 2018, @04:53PM (6 children)
Young intellectuals always have radically different ideas from their parents. They hardly need college campuses to breed or propagate radical new ideas. frankly, the Right has become far more radical in the last couple of years without the aid of a college campus than the Left has done since the 60's. The Republican party is being lead completely off the rails by an incompetent man-baby, congress seems unwilling to check him, his own cabinet thinks he's mad and gets fired or quits regularly, and the worst constituents are infecting the moderate constituents with "militia" and "cult" thinking.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:38PM (4 children)
I think you have a skewed notion of what is and what is not radical as well as a skewed idea of what the right believes on average. What you're seeing is not the right being radical but the right being pissed off that their politicians refuse to represent the will of their constituents. The label "radical" necessitates agitating for societal or economic change rather than simply a change of how they are being represented. It might help if you stopped listening solely to talking heads and people on the left; talking to average people on the right is always going to give you the most accurate picture of average people on the right.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Weasley on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:29PM (3 children)
I consider disassembling military alliances that have existed for decades to be radical. I consider shitting on all of our allies to be radical. I consider sucking up to Russia to be radical...and criminal. And what the fuck is with Alex Jones becoming mainstream? The man is radical even by radical standards. Trump absolutely is a radical.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @09:08PM (2 children)
Getting along with Russia is called diplomacy. Weren't you talking shit just as far back as 2016 about wanting America to get along with the rest of the world? You know Western Europe doesn't constitute "the rest of the world", yeah? What was your position on allowing Russia to go in and take Crimea? Stop them by force or talk to them?
Which is all to say: you're full of shit and would say the exact opposite if it were your team in office doing the exact same things.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Weasley on Wednesday September 05 2018, @09:58PM (1 child)
Punishing Russia over the shit they've pulled over the last decade or so is also diplomacy. From their corrupt business practices, to their invasion of Ukraine and Georgia, to their human rights violations, to the assassinations of enemies of the oligarchs... Russia is run by criminals. And Trump is delivering to the Russians everything they want. I'm amazed you actually think this is partisan issue.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 06 2018, @12:27AM
I think it's a partisan issue because what goes on in Russia is none of my concern but the left, who generally want nothing to do with international confrontation of any kind, suddenly become hawks on Russia. Wait, have I mistaken you? Are you one of those GW fanbois who think we should go around the world making them all act like us?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:52PM
Well isn't that what the Narrative always wants one side to believe about the other? It was not that long ago that conservatives were sure, absolutely convinced, that Obama was a Manchurian candidate, secret Muslim homosexual communist trained from birth to destroy America. Sounds pretty extreme, doesn't it? Hear any echoes of that radical Othering in what you just wrote? At all?
As for chaos and high turnover in the Whitehouse, that is universally true of every administration, period, because it is a hothouse environment. Think junior high school popularity contest on crack, interlaced with PCP and given a n unlimited expense account by absentee parents. Hijinks always ensue. The ones out of power always *gasp* about the turmoil and excess like they've never heard of such a thing and can't imagine how nobody's in charge over there and, sob, how very, very worried they are about the country and the message it sends to our young people... in short, it's a passive-aggressive move that whiny bitches pull.
So put down the pipe, turn off the 24/7 MSM smear-fest, and go for a walk outside. Interact with fellow citizens in the supermarket, in the library, in the workplace. Decide for yourself what you really see. Are people happy to be working and able to pay their bills for the first time in a long time? Are they hopeful about the future for their kids? Those are the real measures of the real state of things.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05 2018, @05:49PM (1 child)
Awww, poor buzzy triggered by academia, awwww.
I am fine with a lot of colleges going broke, but echo chambers? Put down the red hat bud.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 05 2018, @06:00PM
Visit one. Then visit a feed store.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday September 06 2018, @02:36AM
When I saw where some major university had hired close to 100 "diversity officers" (at high-5/low-6 figure salaries!) .... well, that's when I knew the whole system had succumbed to Pournelle's Iron Law.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.