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posted by chromas on Tuesday September 11 2018, @12:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the streaking-at-work dept.

International research team discovers career hot streaks occur in science, art and film:

A team of researchers [...] examined the works of nearly 30,000 scientists, artists and film directors to learn if high-impact works in those fields came in streaks.

According to Lu Liu, a doctoral student in the College of IST and member of the research team, they found a universal pattern.

"Around 90 percent of professionals in those industries have at least one hot hand, and some of them have two or even three," she said.

[...] Liu says that there are two previous schools of thought regarding hot streaks in individual careers. According to the "Matthew effect," the more famous you become, the more likely you'll have success later, which supports the existence of a hot streak. The other school of thought -- the random impact rule -- implies that the success of a career is primarily random and is primarily driven by levels of productivity.

"Our findings provide a different point of view regarding individual careers," said Liu. "We found a period when an individual performs better than his normal career, and that the timing of a hot streak is random."

The researchers also wanted to learn if individuals were more productive during their hot streak periods, which last an average of four to five years. Unexpectedly, they were not.

[...] "Individuals show no detectable change in productivity during hot streaks, despite the fact that their outputs in this period are significantly better than the median, suggesting that there is an endogenous shift in individual creativity when the hot streak occurs," wrote the team in their paper.

[...] As the research shows that hot streaks do in fact exist in creative careers, the researchers hope to apply the research methods to more domains, including musicians, inventors and entrepreneurs.


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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:43AM (22 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:43AM (#733100)

    There are literally billions of people out there trying, so one or more of them are likely to hit "heads" 30 times in a row.

    If we all played one streak of red-black Roulette daily, and the tables started at $1 and had no limits, there would be multiple new billionaires every day. Roulette tables don't start at $1 (especially the ones labeled "creative careers") and the tables all have limits.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:02AM (1 child)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:02AM (#733104) Journal

    There are literally billions of people out there trying

    [...]

    Roulette tables don't start at $1 (especially the ones labeled "creative careers")

    Would be nice if there really were billions of "creative careers" out there. Somehow I doubt that is the case.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:23AM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:23AM (#733110) Homepage Journal

      Hell no it wouldn't. There would be food riots within the month all across the world.

      Parents who told their kids "you can be whatever you want" and "follow your dreams" deserve an ass whooping. That's precisely why so many people are dissatisfied with their lots in life today. You almost certainly can't be whatever you want and following your dreams is a good way to end up broke as fuck. Just ask any middle-aged waiter/waitress in Hollywood.

      By all means, keep your dreams, but when it comes to your choice of employment you'd better pick something that is easily within your grasp, necessary, and pays worth a shit. Doing otherwise is almost certainly going to be painful as hell to yourself and any family you happen to pick up along the way. And that pain will be entirely your fault. And they will see it and rightfully hate you for it.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:05AM (19 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:05AM (#733105) Homepage Journal

    The only luck you should expect is bad. The bad luck isn't really luck any more than the good is, there are simply more ways to fail than their are to succeed and you can't expect to predict them all. So predict that you will fail to predict a certain amount and you'll probably be covered. Even blackjack can be played in such a way as to almost certainly have you winning over the long term (which the casinos despise and will eject you from the premises with an optional side of broken ribs).

    As for good "luck", it's pretty rare outside actual gambling. Just look at things and figure out how to play whatever system you plan to participate in so as to have every possible advantage, within your ethical boundaries. Properly applied intelligence is indistinguishable from luck to most people though, so expect a lot of pissing and moaning from the masses.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by MindEscapes on Tuesday September 11 2018, @01:36PM (5 children)

      by MindEscapes (6751) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @01:36PM (#733135) Homepage

      Just look at things and figure out how to play whatever system you plan to participate in so as to have every possible advantage, within your ethical boundaries.

      And this is why sociopaths rule the corporate world. Fewer ethical boundaries == fewer obstacles to overcome.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 11 2018, @02:01PM (4 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @02:01PM (#733144) Homepage Journal

        So? That's what laws are for. If specific behavior is repellent enough, we illegalize it. If not, well, it's a tautology that it's not that repellent.

        If your complaint is that they have more than you because they're willing to do what it takes, that's a problem with you not with them. Work on that envy.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @03:42PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @03:42PM (#733177)

          We all have to be selfish sometimes. But we should ostracize antisocial behavior, especially now that the selfish have convinced society that any attempt to regulate them is bad.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 11 2018, @04:18PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @04:18PM (#733184) Homepage Journal

            On the contrary, we should encourage sociopathic behavior in corporate executives. They're not the problem. They're just doing what they're allowed to get away with. This is what you want from a corporate executive. Ideology is all fine and good if your company is privately owned but corporations whose mission is to make money for their shareholders should have that as their primary goal.

            Pro-tip: If a sociopath can best achieve their goals by pandering to the ideology of their customers, that's exactly what they'll do. Check last week's news for Nike stories if you don't believe me.

            Your elected representatives, unelected bureaucrats, and politically appointed judges are where the problem lies and where accountability needs to be forced. They're the ones allowing abuse of the system.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 11 2018, @08:39PM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @08:39PM (#733295)

          Legal and ethical are not the same thing at all, and only Illegal things can be prosecuted, except in certain licensed professions which have their own ethical standards and internal policing mechanisms... Notably: the title CEO requires no such license.

          We've been rewarding unethical leaders for so long that it has become expected that, for the benefit of the shareholders, the leaders will continue to make the profitable choices, ethics be damned.

          In terms of "legal" - laws change, and those risk takers who get out in front of the changing of the laws and invest in things that will become profitable post-change tend to profit handsomely. Those with financial power also actively lobby to change laws to their advantage... making their advantages legal. Ethical? Usually not.

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 11 2018, @08:30PM (12 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @08:30PM (#733293)

      Properly applied intelligence is indistinguishable from luck to most people though

      I'd counter this with: good luck is far more effective, and common, than properly applied intelligence. Properly applied intelligence can bootstrap you up from any reasonable starting point to a lower-middle class existence. Without incorporation of significant risk (and therefore elements of luck impacting your success), you're not going to break out much above the middle.

      For better or worse, we're all pretty well thrown into the risk-taker category by today's economy: want more than 0.5%APR on your savings? Put it at risk in the market. Want a good paying secure job? Pick one, nobody gets both anymore, and security in employment is rapidly approaching extinction in the US economy, even people starting out in government work today aren't "guaranteed" secure employment for the next 4 decades. (Caveat: of course, if your net worth is in 8+ figures, you can name your terms when you take a job and therefore ensure that the time you spend in that job will be handsomely remunerated. That's not intelligence, that's financial power. When you have the net worth to do that, you're an anomaly - not comparable to those without financial power.)

      Circling back to TFA: there are literally millions of people out there in any "creative" job, so when you identify a successful "serial entrepreneur" or similar, you likely have found someone who isn't so stupid that they screw up everything they touch, but as for whether they're any smarter or strategically superior to the next guy who failed 4 times in a row - that's not a conclusion you can really draw without taking a hard look at both of them and evaluating both of their moves in the context not of their final outcome, but of the probable risk/reward choices they made with the information available at the time. A 4 times successful player could well have consistently made quantifiably "worse" decisions that just happened to turn out for the good based on things beyond anybody's knowledge or control, while the 4 time loser could have been making excellent decisions with lower apparent risk and higher apparent potential gain, and still been kicked in the teeth with unforeseeable bad luck every time. But: Ain't nobody got time for that, it's a whole lot easier to just look at balance sheets, exit valuations, etc. and develop a metric that incorporates unknowable, uncontrollable luck into it, on the theory that everybody plays in the same field so it all works out in the end, but it really doesn't. If you divide the pool, those in the top half will be "smarter actors," on average than those in the bottom half, but there are plenty of actors in the bottom half of the pool who could have out performed the top players, if they had comparable good luck.

      Then we get around to the wunderkind halo effect, where someone who has succeeded spectacularly in the past is expected to succeed again spectacularly in the future and is therefore granted more opportunity for the later success. My favorite recent movie illustration of this is "Gold".

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 12 2018, @03:44AM (11 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 12 2018, @03:44AM (#733469) Homepage Journal

        I'd counter this with: good luck is far more effective, and common, than properly applied intelligence.

        So solve that problem.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 12 2018, @10:48AM (10 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 12 2018, @10:48AM (#733545)

          I'd counter this with: good luck is far more effective, and common, than properly applied intelligence.

          So solve that problem.

          If that problem could be solved with intelligence alone, I'd like to think it would have been solved ages ago.

          From my perspective, it appears that only superior financial power has any hope of solving that problem, and from the perspective of those with superior financial power, that is not a problem at all.

          Sort of a perverse extension of the Icahn frat boy principle.

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 12 2018, @11:03AM (9 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 12 2018, @11:03AM (#733553) Homepage Journal

            I meant the commonness not the effectiveness. Teach people to actually engage their brains when making important life choices. Hell, spend all four years of highschool doing nothing but that and PE for all I care. There's very little that's terribly useful there to the vast majority of people anyway.

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            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 12 2018, @11:49AM (8 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 12 2018, @11:49AM (#733561)

              Teach people to actually engage their brains when making important life choices.

              Where's my incentive to do that? If I teach everyone else all my tricks, then my tricks will no longer be an advantage (for me.)

              The difference between application of intelligence and application of financial power is that intelligence can be freely and legally copied, whereas financial power is predicated on control of scarce/valuable resources.

              Drilling a well to access "free" water underground is an "intelligent" thing to do (except when said water is laced with arsenic and other such problems...) However, when everybody knows the trick, not only does the water cease to be a scarce and therefore valuable resource, eventually this broad application of "intelligence" taps out the groundwater resource too. Meanwhile, the "intelligent" people with their ready access to water breed like rats. Short term: gain for intelligent people, long term: devastation of the ecosystem.

              The only reason that a person who moderately applies intelligent decision making can rise to slightly above the middle today is because so many people do not apply even moderately intelligent decision making. If everybody started acting smart, smart would no longer be an advantage.

              Fluff movie recommendation: The Duff. Social statement from the movie: geeks and nerds used to be worthless outcasts, now they basically rule the world (unspoken: through the application of intelligence.)

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 12 2018, @12:11PM (7 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 12 2018, @12:11PM (#733568) Homepage Journal

                I'm not saying give away all your secret ninja movies, I'm saying teach them to at least engage their brain when making life choices that are going to greatly affect their position on the income scale. You know, like acquiring a marketable skill instead of working a McJob as a middle-aged person. Saving for retirement. Saving period. Buying real estate instead of going into debt to make your car look this fucking stupid [universalcarlifts.com].

                There are very few legitimate reasons for a healthy person of even average intelligence to live in poverty. There are even less for an intelligent person to be below the median income. Once you get the people who are capable of elevating themselves to do so, you create greatly increased demand for the efforts of those who aren't capable of pulling themselves up off the bottom; you effectively raise the floor towards the median by reducing supply and increasing demand for those sitting on it.

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                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:39PM (6 children)

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:39PM (#733586)

                  Where I grew up, acquiring a marketable skill like engineering, as opposed to screwing off or spending daddy's money on a fine arts degree in film-making or music production or even something esoteric like Physics, did seem like a Ninja move - not exactly secret, but less than the majority. The Physics major obviously had technical learning ability and, so, devout atheist that he was, ended up managing the computer systems of the Arch diocese. Others who could have benefited from actually learning something, or at least turning their multiple years' income worth of tuition into a valuable BS transcript, seemed mostly randomly distributed across whatever looked interesting at the time. As for saving/smart financial decisions: I've got an in-law who married at 18, immediately bought a living room set of furniture on credit as soon as they would give it to her, ended up paying >$20K over the next 15 years for the modest sofa chairs and end tables that were in fashion at the time, then found a religion (JW) that reassured her that it's the world's fault, not her own, and it will all work out when the rapture comes, any day now. But, consider all the people who make their living by extending and collecting credit on less-than-intelligent decision makers... what would they do for a living without that market opportunity?

                  There are even less for an intelligent person to be below the median income.

                  But, if even 51% of people behave intelligently, at least some of them will be - by definition - below the median income.

                  reducing supply and increasing demand for those sitting on it.

                  What I've noticed as I age is that a lot of the formerly "kids' jobs" are now being taken by idiot boomers who let themselves get into a position of needing that kind of work. Not sayin' that the boomers' kids are any smarter, just that the boomers' parents apparently were.

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                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:40AM (5 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:40AM (#734125) Homepage Journal

                    But, if even 51% of people behave intelligently, at least some of them will be - by definition - below the median income.

                    By definition, no. By all probability, yes. We're talking median not mean, so it's technically possible for 98% of the population to be of median income. Realistically it would just raise the median significantly and give us back a strong middle class.

                    What I've noticed as I age is that a lot of the formerly "kids' jobs" are now being taken by idiot boomers who let themselves get into a position of needing that kind of work. Not sayin' that the boomers' kids are any smarter, just that the boomers' parents apparently were.

                    Boomers parents were epic badass fonts of wisdom and industriousness compared to anything that's come since.

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                    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:09PM (4 children)

                      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:09PM (#734175)

                      But, if even 51% of people behave intelligently, at least some of them will be - by definition - below the median income.

                      By definition, no. By all probability, yes. We're talking median not mean, so it's technically possible for 98% of the population to be of median income. Realistically it would just raise the median significantly and give us back a strong middle class.

                      me·di·an adjective denoting or relating to a value or quantity lying at the midpoint of a frequency distribution of observed values or quantities, such that there is an equal probability of falling above or below it.

                      I'll grant that the dictionary definition is misleading. The mechanics of calculating it [mathgoodies.com] make it clearer. In a set of 7 numbers, one is the median, three are equal to or above the median, three are equal to or below the median. Always, it's in the definition of how it's calculated. If you raise the set size to seven billion and 1, then there are 3.5 billion above or equal and 3.5 billion below or equal.

                      Boomers parents were epic badass fonts of wisdom and industriousness compared to anything that's come since.

                      Sadly, I'd have to agree with you there. Something about living through the depression, the real one where people actually died from economic hardship, probably had a lot to do with that.

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                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:16PM (3 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:16PM (#734179) Homepage Journal

                        You're neglecting the possibility of multiple numbers being the same and the number of significant figures you're able to claim. For the purposes of this discussion, unless you're just in the mood to be pedantic which I totally sympathize with, the median is best defined as the precise median plus or minus five percent or so.

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                        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:33PM (2 children)

                          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:33PM (#734190)

                          You're neglecting the possibility of multiple numbers being the same and the number of significant figures you're able to claim.

                          True enough, and I was just thinking about "binning" net worth in $1000 increments making it possible to truly have a significant number of people exactly hit the median bin, because calculating net worth to the penny is even sillier.

                          I suppose my far-horizon point is that: while the whole economy is not a zero-sum-game, a whole lot of it is, especially the parts that are influenced by intelligent decision making on the part of the individual consumer. When a consumer makes a better deal on a loan, they're essentially taking profit from the bank and its shareholders, which is a very good thing for the consumer, but not so great for that part of my 401(k) that's invested in financial products. Money "wasted" on bankruptcy and similar bad decisions is more circulated among the various hands that handle those situations than it is created or destroyed. I'd much rather have an economy where banking, insurance, collections, and lawyers shrink by 90% and we put them to work developing infrastructure, cleaning up the environment, right-sizing development, generating entertainment, whatever, but... this is the system we've got, and just having people make intelligent decisions isn't going to directly lift the whole economy up until those parasite industries shrink and retrain into things that actually do contribute - and I'd guess there's a generational lag between giving the parasites less opportunity and actually training more people into non-parasitic professions.

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                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:46PM (1 child)

                            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:46PM (#734196) Homepage Journal

                            It's institutional not generational. The parents of the boomers were the last to teach these things to their children as a generation. The boomers were able but decided not to for moral reasons. If we ever want to unfuck ourselves it's going to have to be taught in schools. Breeding-aged people are simply incapable of teaching it because they don't understand it themselves.

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                            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday September 14 2018, @01:01AM

                              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday September 14 2018, @01:01AM (#734604)

                              it's going to have to be taught in schools.

                              Good luck with that - my parents were teachers, one a PhD education professor - according to them the deck is stacked for failure and nobody cares.

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