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posted by takyon on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:02PM   Printer-friendly
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Mill Valley joins effort to constrain 5G proliferation

The city of Mill Valley has enacted an urgency ordinance to regulate "small cell" towers amid concerns that cellphone companies want to grow their 5G networks and install new equipment in Marin. "We do intend to do more work and studies to craft a permanent ordinance within the next year," Mill Valley Mayor Stephanie Moulton-Peters said Friday. "The urgency ordinance has standards to limit and prohibit the installations of devices in residential neighborhoods, but there is more that we can do."

The decision came on a unanimous vote by the City Council on Thursday, after residents from across Marin packed the council chambers as part of a campaign urging local officials to block cellphone companies from attempting to build 5G towers in the county. No proposals for 5G towers have been submitted to Mill Valley, staff said.

The issue is that 5G towers, which would allow for faster and higher-capacity video streaming and other transmissions, could exacerbate health symptoms already suspected as a result of exposure to electromagnetic fields, according to the EMF Safety Network, a group advocating to keep communities EMF-free. Those symptoms can include fatigue, headaches, sleep problems, anxiety, heart problems, learning and memory disorders, ringing in the ears and increased cancer risk, according to the EMF Safety Network website.

"What 5G does is it adds another cloud to what we refer to as 'electromagnetic smog' into an environment that is already pretty saturated," said Fairfax resident and activist Valeri Hood. "In Fairfax, what we're doing is asking our council to step up in the way councils have in the past, and just say no to 5G."

Also at HardOCP.


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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:17PM (8 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:17PM (#733319) Journal

    That answer doesn't really help a company wanting to erect a 5G cellphone tower.

    Customers will demand 5G! Because it's better. You can tell because of the 5. It must be better. Customers will know it's better because the TV told them.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:31PM (5 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:31PM (#733327) Journal

    As long as this doesn't become a movement that spreads to many cities, they can just ignore Mill Valley. The 5G rollout will probably take years anyway, focusing on metropolitan areas first, and the base stations will have a short range. So you just ignore the 12 km2 of Mill Valley [wikipedia.org], and probably the surrounding areas as well.

    https://spectrum.ieee.org/video/telecom/wireless/everything-you-need-to-know-about-5g [ieee.org]

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:52PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:52PM (#733343) Journal

      Maybe you just ignore Mill Valley forever and ever. Do your safety studies. We'll be back to check on your progress in one quarter of a galactic rotation.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:07AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:07AM (#733438)
      Maybe Mill Valley is right. Not because of harm, but because of lack of purpose of this new 5G compared to 4G of today. 5G does not do anything new - it only does existing things faster. But they are already fast enough!
      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:58PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:58PM (#733628) Journal

        It does existing things faster. But often that also means more capacity.

        I don't need 10 GB ethernet to my computer. So why does it exist? For the same reason that six lane highways exist in some places. Or the 404 (and I don't mean page not found).

        I hear that 5G has poor in building penetration.

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:44AM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:44AM (#733951) Journal

          I hear that 5G has poor in building penetration.

          https://www.cio.com/article/3226451/networking/5g-a-few-frequency-facts.html [cio.com]

          Yes, but improvements in other parts of the spectrum could help. And if you are close to a 5G base station, you can get the promised crazy speeds.

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        • (Score: 1) by exaeta on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:07PM

          by exaeta (6957) on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:07PM (#734469) Homepage Journal

          I hear that 5G has poor in building penetration.

          Yes. In general, higher frequency means more bandwidth but lower material penetration*. It's why you can transmit data to/from underground on the lower frequency bands, but you'd be lucky to get a few KiB/s doing so.

          * (This is technically not true of very very high frequencies, e.g. gamma rays penetrate better than visible light, but I'm going to assume you're still in the radio bands given that transmitting data via gamma radiation or X-rays might pose issues for the general wellbeing of the population. Basically, the closer EM-radiation frequency becomes to visible light, the poorer the penetration will become.)

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  • (Score: 2) by Fluffeh on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:56AM (1 child)

    by Fluffeh (954) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:56AM (#733457) Journal

    1) Just get some 5G stickers.
    2) Pop them over the 4G stickers you see on cell towers.
    3) Get the users to "install special 5G app to get best speeds!" (App merely makes phone display 5G instead of 4G)
    4) PROFIT

    No missing steps. Winner. Right there.

    I'll be happy to take a mere 5% cut of new revenues in this glorious and cunning plan as it is brought to fruition.

    *sips coffee*

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:59PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:59PM (#733629) Journal

      I hope you patented this.

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