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posted by takyon on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:02PM   Printer-friendly
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Mill Valley joins effort to constrain 5G proliferation

The city of Mill Valley has enacted an urgency ordinance to regulate "small cell" towers amid concerns that cellphone companies want to grow their 5G networks and install new equipment in Marin. "We do intend to do more work and studies to craft a permanent ordinance within the next year," Mill Valley Mayor Stephanie Moulton-Peters said Friday. "The urgency ordinance has standards to limit and prohibit the installations of devices in residential neighborhoods, but there is more that we can do."

The decision came on a unanimous vote by the City Council on Thursday, after residents from across Marin packed the council chambers as part of a campaign urging local officials to block cellphone companies from attempting to build 5G towers in the county. No proposals for 5G towers have been submitted to Mill Valley, staff said.

The issue is that 5G towers, which would allow for faster and higher-capacity video streaming and other transmissions, could exacerbate health symptoms already suspected as a result of exposure to electromagnetic fields, according to the EMF Safety Network, a group advocating to keep communities EMF-free. Those symptoms can include fatigue, headaches, sleep problems, anxiety, heart problems, learning and memory disorders, ringing in the ears and increased cancer risk, according to the EMF Safety Network website.

"What 5G does is it adds another cloud to what we refer to as 'electromagnetic smog' into an environment that is already pretty saturated," said Fairfax resident and activist Valeri Hood. "In Fairfax, what we're doing is asking our council to step up in the way councils have in the past, and just say no to 5G."

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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by Entropy on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:31PM (16 children)

    by Entropy (4228) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:31PM (#733328)

    They ban plastic bags, for the environment. Homeless people used to poop in plastic bags, and throw them away. Now hepatitus-infected homeless people poop on the street, and they have more human feces on the street than any other place in the country. Good job, california: Now you can have slow wireless and human feces.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:33PM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:33PM (#733330) Journal

    Mill Valley [wikipedia.org] is a tiny city. They don't have the homeless problems of LA, San Diego, etc., and they probably don't need much more than 4G to serve their needs.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:47PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:47PM (#733339)

    So much anger against California. Jealous much? The feces problem is only SF, a small city that removed all public restrooms and hasn't done enough to meet housing demands. It is not a simple problem, something you might understand if your own city was popular enough to even have problems.

    Typical shit flinging monkey behavior you're displaying, but hey that is the SN new normal! Libruhl tears amirite boiz? Any of you still think Trump is not a crook, or on your side?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:45PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @11:45PM (#733390)

      When a city has a problem with people shitting on the street, it seems to me that is a symptom of a much larger problem.

      We really need to reevaluate our priorities if we cannot provide basic necessities like public restrooms.

      If we're worried that the homeless will take up residence in the public restrooms (trying so hard not to write "squatting"), then we must give the homeless somewhere to sleep.

      If the argument is that the homeless won't use the public restrooms and beds because they're mentally ill, then we must provide treatment.

      If we're worried that one city cannot handle the homeless population of the entire USA, then we must implement these policies across the country. If nothing else, think of the jobs providing and maintaining these resources would create.

      We have $700 billion dollars allocated for causing death and destruction for just one single year. And it'll be even more next year. It doesn't matter if it's D or R in power. It'll always be more, more, more.

      And all the Ds and Rs tell us that there is no money to help people. Money to lock people in cages. Money for mass surveillance. Money to bomb cities on the other side of the planet. Money to militarize our police. No money for things Jesus would do.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @12:21AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @12:21AM (#733408)

        Much of mentally ill is not treatable short of locking people up.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:07AM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:07AM (#733425) Journal

          There is "locking people up", and there is "restricting an irrational person's movement to safe places".

          Yes, I'm aware of the horror stories about asylums from the days of my youth. I am afraid that we over reacted to those horror stories, and threw the baby out with the bathwater. The loonies really should be restricted. They should be restricted primarily for their own benefit, and secondarily for the public's benefit.

          Round up the loonies, and put them into a pleasant facility, where they will be safe. No medical experiments. They only take meds if they want to. They don't even have to sleep in an assigned bed. Let them sleep outside on the sidewalk if they insist. Or, beside the creek. Allow them to burn hot dogs over an open fire beside the creek. But, don't let them wander off, into traffic, into a school yard, or an industrial area, or whatever. They have to stay at the facility, unless and until they demonstrate that they can properly take care of themselves.

          It's a shame that we can't treat the loonies humanely. I guess it's a lot more fun bombing terrists than treating loonies.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:02AM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:02AM (#733423) Journal

        If we're worried that one city cannot handle the homeless population of the entire USA, then we must implement these policies across the country. If nothing else, think of the jobs providing and maintaining these resources would create.

        I'm definitely not worried enough to do that. Providing and maintaining crazy people isn't my idea of a productive job.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:32AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:32AM (#733449)

          Well you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy so no one should care what your ideas about productivity are.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:38AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:38AM (#733453) Journal
            Let us keep in mind the premise here. A city makes some really bad choices and fails hard. Solution: make it nation-wide law so every city is forced to undergo this failure mode. And the justification for it? Jobs!
  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:58PM (6 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 11 2018, @09:58PM (#733350) Journal

    Interestingly, India has made a major effort and investment to get rid of open defecation.

    I would think that California would want to do at least as well. Maybe simply have more public toilets like India.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:02PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:02PM (#733354)

      California as a whole is fine, just SF and probably parts of LA that have real problems. Maybe San Diego? I would say ask EF since he claims to live there, but good luck getting a coherent response.

      The public restrooms in SF were closed because they'd get totally disgusting by some asshole people. There really isn't a way around it though, pay the cost of running public restrooms or have shit on the streets. Fuck SF for not maintaining public restrooms, they sure are on top of their parking tickets lulz.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:11AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 12 2018, @01:11AM (#733426) Journal

        I would argue that EF's bigotry is pretty coherent. He pretty much despises everyone, with a little extra care lavished on Jews. His signal doesn't spatter all over the place, by heaping loving praise on anyone. It's just one continuous message of hate, and/or contempt.

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Wednesday September 12 2018, @06:44AM

        by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday September 12 2018, @06:44AM (#733512)

        You forget the obvious third option, the one everyone used when we had a functioning civilization.

        Vagrancy Laws. Seems especially needed in the Bay Area where they want to make laws limiting construction of new housing and demand far exceeds supply. There can't possibly be enough housing for those with the ability to pay, housing the homeless there is a stupid idea and allowing them to roam freely and shit in the streets is about the only idea dumber than trying to. Jail the homeless, After a round or two of being locked up they will go be homeless somewhere else.

        It really is simple. An area can only safely support a finite number of people, especially if the voters have made an explicit decision to forbid new construction. Accept the consequences of those facts and the decisions of the voters. There can't be unlimited people there, despite the tech companies continuing to insist on headquartering there, and prices are going to be insane so only the 1% can live there. As to who is going to keep providing services to these Eloi, that is another question the voters there need to think about.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:11PM (#733362)

      I don't think it's fair to blame the homeless for shit-besmirched streets. India reduced their public defecation problem by sending all those H1Bs to California.

    • (Score: 2) by Entropy on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:27PM

      by Entropy (4228) on Tuesday September 11 2018, @10:27PM (#733370)

      I thought that's what starbucks was? Or maybe they are just supervised injection sites.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 12 2018, @02:08AM (#733439)

      It's a mental health problem, not an education or lack of toilet problem.