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posted by chromas on Tuesday September 18 2018, @03:33PM   Printer-friendly

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From Engadget:

It could soon prove expensive for media makers to chase online pirates in Canada. The country's Supreme Court has unanimously ruled that internet providers are entitled to "reasonable" compensation when asked to link pirates' IP addresses to customer details.

Voltage Pictures (the production firm behind The Hurt Locker) intended to sue roughly 55,000 customers of telecom giant Rogers for allegedly bootlegging movies, but balked when Rogers wanted to charge $100 per hour to comply with the requests for information. Rogers won the initial Federal Court case, but had to defend itself at the Supreme Court when Voltage appealed the case.

From TorrentFreak:

In a 9-0 decision, the Supreme Court ruled in Rogers' favor this week. The Internet provider is entitled to recover costs to link IP-addressed to customer details. Exactly how much will be determined in a future Federal Court hearing.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 18 2018, @06:08PM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 18 2018, @06:08PM (#736628)

    Anyone MAFIAA accuses of pirating.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 18 2018, @07:36PM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 18 2018, @07:36PM (#736680)

    Indeed, I'm sure movie tickets will go up again because of this.

    • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Tuesday September 18 2018, @07:44PM (22 children)

      by Alfred (4006) on Tuesday September 18 2018, @07:44PM (#736686) Journal
      So don't go to the movies. Penny saved penny earned. Also don't go to Starbucks.
      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 18 2018, @08:04PM (11 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 18 2018, @08:04PM (#736700) Journal

        A penny downloaded is a penny earned.

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        People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
        • (Score: 4, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 18 2018, @09:18PM (10 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 18 2018, @09:18PM (#736737)

          You wouldn't steal a handbag.

          You wouldn't steal a car.

          You wouldn't steal a baby.

          You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet.

          You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet.

          And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again!

          Downloading films is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:04PM (8 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:04PM (#736767) Journal

            Nope. Downloading files is NOT "stealing". Rather, it is a copyright infringement. Use proper English definitions, please.

            • (Score: 3, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:07PM (4 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:07PM (#736770)

              OK tough guy, what is the proper English definition of going to the toilet in a policeman's helmet then?

              • (Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:14PM (3 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:14PM (#736773) Journal

                Hint: it isn't stealing. While true that you stole his helmet, defacating in it is not stealing, nor is sending that helmet full of feces to his widow stealing. Stealing has a fairly narrow definition. You have to take something that isn't yours, that you don't pay for, and that you have no intention of returning.

                Personally, I make it a habit to return all the files I borrow. After making a copy of that file, I then read my own file.

                • (Score: 3, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:35PM

                  by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:35PM (#736789)

                  Well, that's me told then.

                  Fancy not knowing the difference between stealing and pooping in a policeman's helmet. Silly me.

                • (Score: 2) by KiloByte on Wednesday September 19 2018, @10:11AM (1 child)

                  by KiloByte (375) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @10:11AM (#736963)

                  You forgot a very important bit: "with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it".

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                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 19 2018, @10:24AM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 19 2018, @10:24AM (#736966) Journal

                    And, that is an important bit. If I copy all of the files on your computer to my own device, you have been deprived of nothing, other than maybe privacy. Privacy, however, is an intangible, which has zero value to most people it seems, but almost infinite value when it has been violated.

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:00AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:00AM (#736829)

              GP was being funny. It's from The IT Crowd. A very funny British show.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg [youtube.com]

              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:03AM (1 child)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:03AM (#736858)

                Oh, great. Thanks A/C. You've spoiled my fun.

                I wasn't going to bother with whoosh!

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:30AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:30AM (#736869)

                  Well, you could always link them to the German version.

          • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Wednesday September 19 2018, @08:20PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 19 2018, @08:20PM (#737194) Journal

            I wouldn't download a handbag, a car, or a baby. I can't use my dial up modem because Dominoes is faxing me a pizza right now.

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            People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Tuesday September 18 2018, @09:51PM (2 children)

        by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday September 18 2018, @09:51PM (#736758)

        ...Also don't go to Starbucks.

        I don't go there because they don't sell coffee. Is there a Mafiaa reason to avoid them as well?

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        It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:25AM

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:25AM (#736865) Homepage Journal

          Strangely, the baristas don't regard that as a problem, but I always have. If I have any cash with me I'll tip them but if I pay with a card, quite likely I have no cash.

          It's always been this way.

          Clearly Starbucks Corporate knows about it yet has never moved to correct it, despite having lost a lawsuit in which its baristas petitioned the court to have the wages distributed only among the baristas. Prior to prevailing in their suit, some of their tips were given to their managers.

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          Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
        • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:27PM

          by Alfred (4006) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:27PM (#737020) Journal
          Not a mafia reason, just good financial advice similar to not going to the movies. Though not going to the movies has the added deterrent of not supporting contrary to my principles.
      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:14PM (6 children)

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Tuesday September 18 2018, @10:14PM (#736772) Journal

        I wish! The public could bring the MAFIAA to heel very, very quickly by simply boycotting their sorry behinds until they admit that copying is a natural right, and change their business models.

        As it is, progress is still being made, just slowly. Copying is much easier today than in the 1980s, when they were all up in arms over the VCR, cassette tape, and the digital audio tape. I am constantly amazed how far we've advanced since then, when there simply wasn't audio and video compression-- no mp3, no mpeg. Best you could do was zip an uncompressed format. Also, there was no residential Internet, only such things as the BBS and FidoNet with 2400 baud to 14.4k baud modems over landlines. And finally, storage was very small. 40M for $200 was a typical size and cost for a hard drive in the late 80s. There were no CD burners, no flash drives, no USB ports. The largest portable storage was the 1.44M floppy. Consequently, what little digital video there was, was very low resolution and short. There was plenty of computer game piracy, but not music piracy, let alone movie piracy. Just wasn't practical. The 1990s was when all that changed and music piracy really took off.

        Hard to guess how much further capacities and speeds will increase. Gigabits per second transmission speeds, so that an entire movie can be downloaded in a few seconds? Petabyte sized personal storage? Lots more than that? Everyone will be able to walk around with the entire Library of Congress on one micro SD card? However far tech goes, seems the idiots who run the MAFIAA are never going to move with it. They seem determined to become roadkill on the information superhighway.

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:49AM (5 children)

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 19 2018, @12:49AM (#736854) Homepage Journal

          I supported a company of twelve people in the early nineties. Or best year we grossed three million dollars.

          Yet the biggest hard drive I ever used was just eighty megabytes. Why do we need terabyte drives today?

          I really mean it, this isn't just a troll. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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          Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:38AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @01:38AM (#736878)

            With modern coding practices "Hello World" requires many, many, MB of code libraries, unicode support and a choice of fonts. Due to the ADA it also must output in braille, spoken text, ASL and sixteen different languages including spanish, portuguese, farsi, arabic, hebrew, jive, rap, redneck, and moron. Strangely, english is not a required language.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:28AM (2 children)

            by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:28AM (#736888) Journal

            Why? Surely you can think why, but I'll give you my take on it. As I said, one big reason is digital video and audio.

            Whether a GUI is an advance over a text terminal is a debatable point, but most would agree that it is. Those take an order of magnitude more memory than a command line interface. The memory a GUI needs was once pretty significant, but today it's peanuts.

            If you want good weather forecasting, you need lots and lots of data. Astronomy is another heavy user of data. We have exabytes of data from telescopes, much of which no person has ever looked at. It's there so whenever we find that some tiny area of space has something interesting going on in it, astronomers can pull up photos from these archives, don't have to wait for telescope time.

            Yet another is maps. Just elevation data for the Earth, at a relatively crude interval of 1km. takes over 1G. Clever data compression, and having only the data for land, with ocean elevations all set to 0, gets that down to about 200M, still 3 times the size of your 80M hard drive. And that was just one 16bit integer value for elevation. If you want more data, such as roads, political boundaries, rivers, vegetation, buildings, average temperatures. and so on, you will easily exceed a terabyte. Double the resolution, and you've just quadrupled the amount of data. What's the finest resolution of elevation data that could be useful? Maybe every 10m, or 0.01km? Finer than that, perhaps 1m? Well, now we could need a petabyte, just for the elevations.

            Speaking of data compression, in general the more memory you use, the more redundancy you can see. gzip was good for its time, but it just can't compete with xz, and a big reason why is that gzip uses a mere 32k of RAM to check for redundancy. I don't know how much xz uses, but I would be surprised if it was less than 4M.

            Would you agree that UTF-8 is an improvement upon ASCII? Glyphs for the ASCII set can fit into a few kilobytes of ROM. UTF-8 has, what, thousands of symbols? Takes a few megabytes to represent all those symbols in a dozen different fonts, and we're not talking piddly little 8x16 bitmaps either, we're talking vector representations than can be scaled. Lots of library code had to be expanded to handle UTF-8.

            • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:12AM (1 child)

              by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 19 2018, @03:12AM (#736896) Homepage Journal

              My first experience of it was in 1997 with the BeOS: I asked a Japanese coworker to translate the ReadMe for the Spellswell Demo.

              It's only been the last three months or so that I've been using UTF-8 actively, as I place a high priority on supporting old browsers with my website. Before that if I needed a non-ASCII glyph I always used an entity, but with Soggy Jobs covering so many foreign lands that got to be a huge PITA.

              So Soggy Jobs was started as XHTML Strict with entities but now the entire site is HTML 5 with UTF-8.

              Good Times.

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              • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday September 20 2018, @03:39AM

                by bzipitidoo (4388) on Thursday September 20 2018, @03:39AM (#737375) Journal

                Just a curious little postscript, about GUIs and fonts: hinting and anti-aliasing significantly slow older computers. Turning those off gives a very noticeable performance boost on a 133 MHz Pentium MMX, 96M RAM system from the late 90s. On a 2GHz Pentium 4, with lots more RAM, it's a lot harder to see any difference from disabling those. I guess that in addition to the gross difference in capacity and speed, maybe the SSE instructions make hinting and anti-aliasing go a lot faster. That is the sort of graphics task that SSE was designed to streamline. The older MMX instructions were the original parallelism designed to speed up graphics, but they're just not as good as SSE.