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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 19 2018, @08:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the logical-deduction dept.

An exoplanet with a minimum mass of 8.47±0.47 Earth masses has been discovered around 40 Eridani A:

"Star Trek's" planet Vulcan, ancestral home of Spock and his species, just became a little more real, thanks to a team of exoplanet scientists. Because "Star Trek" creators eventually associated planet Vulcan with a real star, called 40 Eridani A, scientists have wondered for years whether a factual equivalent of the beloved science fiction planet exists, with or without pointy-eared inhabitants. And now, a team of scientists has said that the star really does host at least one planet.

"This star can be seen with the naked eye, unlike the host stars of most of the known planets discovered to date," Bo Ma, lead author of the new research and an astronomer at the University of Florida, said in a statement. "Now, anyone can see 40 Eridani A on a clear night and be proud to point out Spock's home." That star, located about 16 light-years away from Earth, is also known as HD 26965. It's a bit orange, because it's a little smaller and cooler than our sun. But it also has some clear similarities to Earth's star: It's about the same age and sports a fairly similar sunspot pattern.

Also at Science Magazine.


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  • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:12PM (8 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @02:12PM (#737031) Journal

    Revolution period of 42 days = close orbit = tidally locked = no life

    Boundary conditions might allow for semi-sorta earthlike life on a tidally locked planet (although it's difficult to imagine that the gravity of a planet with 8 earth masses will.) It probably means no life globally, though. At least, no life remotely like us, globally.

    It also means no spaceflight without technology we have not even imagined. Much more than one earth gravity, and you're definitely not getting into orbit with chemical rockets.

    OTOH, planets with less than one earth gravity will have a considerably easier time of it than we do.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:11PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:11PM (#737083)

    Much more than one earth gravity, and you're definitely not getting into orbit with chemical rockets.

    It's even worse than that. Even with lower density to achieve the same surface gravity, more mass means higher orbital velocity.
    To grab an extreme but handy example, consider the sun, enclosed by a Dyson sphere of negligible mass and ~3.7Gm radius. The gravity on the outer surface of the sphere is 1g, same as Earth -- but the near-surface orbital velocity is 190 km/s instead of Earth's 7.9 km/s.

    More specifically, for 8.47 M, the radius required for surface gravity of 1g is an improbable 8.47½ R = 2.91 R, but the resulting orbital velocity is 8.47¼ = 1.7x Earth's, or 13.5 km/s.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:49PM (3 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday September 19 2018, @04:49PM (#737099) Journal

      With big enough multi-stage rockets or perhaps nuclear rockets [nextbigfuture.com], an alien civilization could still be able to get into space and to other planets, even with higher surface gravity and orbital velocity, and very small payloads sent to orbit and beyond using fully expendable rockets. Then they could establish themselves on another planet or satellite with more manageable gravity, assuming one is available. For one example, it looks like multiple planets in the TRAPPIST-1 [wikipedia.org] system could support life, and even the small ones have higher masses than Mars.

      It may take centuries longer and more units of currency for aliens to escape such a planet, which could mean that they end up dying in a global war before they have a chance to spread. But they still have a chance. They could build small robots to set up the support infrastructure on another planet in their system, and they could send their equivalent of frozen eggs and an artificial womb instead of a full-sized craft with life support. Anything they can do within mass constraints.

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      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday September 19 2018, @06:38PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @06:38PM (#737164)

        Or they could just learn how to pinch the Higgs Field and find space access easier than your crossing the street to Starbucks.
        Their cousins down the galaxy had been taunting them since they discovered how to funnel the energy from the fusion of Uranium in the flablolisk's stomach.

      • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:10PM (1 child)

        by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:10PM (#737707) Journal

        With big enough multi-stage rockets

        It gets harder — a lot harder — as gravity goes up.

        More dangerous, too.

        We got pretty lucky in terms of the gravity here. Sorta kinda. Luckier would have been a little less gravity. :)

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:35PM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:35PM (#737717) Journal

          Higher gravity, higher orbital velocity, higher escape velocity. Are these things surmountable or not? If aliens have to launch something bigger than Saturn V just to get 100 kg to orbit, they still have a chance to eventually escape their planet. It will just be far more costly and take much longer to get off the ground.

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  • (Score: 2) by r1348 on Wednesday September 19 2018, @08:18PM (2 children)

    by r1348 (5988) on Wednesday September 19 2018, @08:18PM (#737192)

    I heard of the boundary conditions model, and saw some simulations too, but I remain quite skeptical. Atmospheric pressure would cause it to flow from the hot side to the cold side, where it would freeze and precipitate. Very soon you find yourself with a planet with no gas atmosphere, even if it has enough mass to hold one. Less than idea for the formation of life.

    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:16PM (1 child)

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:16PM (#737711) Journal

      Less than idea[sic] for the formation of life.

      Well, our form of life, anyway.

      • (Score: 2) by r1348 on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:57PM

        by r1348 (5988) on Thursday September 20 2018, @08:57PM (#737730)

        As I explained in a post further down the thread, carbon-based organic chemistry in water solutions remains by far the best candidate as a precursor of life. I'm not claiming other ways are impossible because that would be like claiming to know every possible chemical combination, which would be outrageous, but it still is the most likely scenario. Just to give you an example on how easily spontaneous carbon-based chemistry is, we detected organic molecules like benzene and acetone in interstellar gas clouds. So even in the most extreme and barring environment you can think of, carbon chemistry still happens.