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posted by chromas on Friday September 21 2018, @03:59AM   Printer-friendly
from the moar-pixels! dept.

[Update: WOW! Thanks for all the useful feedback! Plenty of information on the TV-as-a-monitor side of things (but feel free to add more!) Would very much appreciate it if folks could provide some input as to what has worked for them in using a laptop to drive a 4K display. I'd consider a used system. Would, ideally, like something that costs in the ~$300 range, but am resigned to the fact I may have to kick out more like ~$750. What graphics adapter do you have. Is it an integrated model (e.g. Intel HD 630) or discrete card? What model? What troubles, if any, have you had with getting proper drivers (windows OR Linux/Debian/BSD/etc.) Could you get the full 60 fps or were you limited to 30 fps? See below the fold for details on my current system and what my needs are compute-wise. --Bytram]

Summary: I need more screen space.

Which means I'll need a new (to me) laptop (portability++) which can support more pixels. I want a system that is Linux/BSD friendly. I don't have a whole lot of money to spend, so I'm hoping I can draw on the experience of my fellow Soylentils to help point me in the right direction. I'd like to avoid overspending, but I don't want to find that I've boxed myself into a corner for making an ignorant mistake.

I used to follow the bleeding edge of technology, but I've now firmly moved into the "I want it to just work" camp.

Current Display: I have a 24-inch, 1920x1200 computer monitor. The majority of my display is taken up my Internet Browser (Pale Moon) which generally has 50+ tabs. It is flush with the top of my screen and covers the entire display except for a ~2 inch margin on the sides and 3 inches on the bottom. That overlays my HexChat IRC (Internet Relay Chat) which runs across the bottom 1/3 of my screen. The remainder of the screen has corners of command windows poking out as well as various utilities like an analog clock, performance monitor, connection monitor, etc.

TV as Monitor: Over the past few months I've seen the prices for 4K (3840x2160) televisions plummet. I've got my eye on a TCL 43S517 43-Inch 4K Ultra HD Roku Smart LED TV (2018 Model) which Amazon has on sale for $349.00 with free shipping.

As I see it, I could get a display with better dot pitch than what I have now, and much more screen real estate, for relatively little money.

The vast majority of what I do is command line based, be it in a Windows (7 Pro X64) CMD.exe command window, or an occasional PuTTY session into Soylent's Servers. I do not do any video gaming. My only video needs are an occasional short clip from YouTube, or a DVD (I have neither cable TV nor do I stream video with Netflix or their ilk; no Blu-ray, either). Internet access is currently via a tethered LTE cell phone.

Current computer: Thanks to the generosity of a fellow Soylentil, my current system is a Dell Latitude E6400 with a Core 2 Duo P8700 (1.8-2.5 GHz) with 8GB RAM and a 500GB 7200-rpm WD Black disk drive. Video is handled by a NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M.

New Laptop: My current is not going to cut it. So, I'm also on the lookout for a new (to me) laptop. I don't need much in the way of compute power. I figure pretty much any i3 or i5 should be more than enough for my computing needs. And, an Intel integrated graphics chip should be up to the task given a recent enough generation, but I'm not sure how current a model I'd need. I'm further confused by the different connection schemes and versions. I've found this page on Intel. What will I need? HDMI 1.4? Display Port 1.2? Other? Would I be able to run both a 4K monitor @ 60Hz and my existing 1920x1200 display?

With the increasing trade war rhetoric, I'm getting nervous there may be a price spike in the not too distant future. Further, I sense merchants are clearing out the current stock in anticipation of the holiday season, so I'm thinking the time is right for me to take the plunge and upgrade.

Conclusion: So, what have your experiences been using a 4K television as a computer monitor? What 'gotchas' have you run into? What things did you learn the hard way that you wish someone had told you about beforehand? What driver problems have you encountered? Did you have any issues with Linux/BSD drivers? What worked for you?


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  • (Score: 2) by cosurgi on Friday September 21 2018, @12:41PM (2 children)

    by cosurgi (272) on Friday September 21 2018, @12:41PM (#738071) Journal

    PS: if you decide to buy anything please let me know. I will look more closely at it. At present I am pondering Sony FW-43XE8001, but I am still not convinced.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by cosurgi on Friday September 21 2018, @02:00PM

    by cosurgi (272) on Friday September 21 2018, @02:00PM (#738101) Journal

    Oh, speaking about resolution and frequency. I learned that it is very important to get a proper cable. First things first: only HDMI 2.0 and higher and only DisplayPort 1.2 and higher support 3840x2160@60Hz. If you calculate this you will see that it is 3840*2160*60Hz*24bits = 11.9 Gbit/sec = 1.5 GB/sec.

    That's a lot of throughput. I was afraid that I will not find a working cable with length over 5 meters (my PC is in other room to eliminate noise). I inspected optical cables like https://chromisfiber.com/products/gigapof-displayport/ [chromisfiber.com] and eventually settled down on https://www.delock.de/produkte/G_82773/merkmale.html?setLanguage=en [delock.de]

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  • (Score: 2) by martyb on Friday September 21 2018, @02:19PM

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 21 2018, @02:19PM (#738118) Journal

    FWIW, my starting point is this best of page on rtings.com: The 6 Best 40-42-43 inch TVs - September 2018 [rtings.com].

    I was strongly leaning towards the TCL Model 43S517 [rtings.com] (which Best Buy lists as Model 43S515 currently on sale at $319.99)... but am now giving a long look at the TCL Model 43S405 [rtings.com] which Best Buy currently has on sale for $259.99.

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