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From an editorial in the Otago Daily Times out of New Zealand, Censorship a Trojan Horse:
It's an oft-cited maxim that the news media is the "fourth estate" upon which a healthy democracy stands.
It ensures the three traditional powers of state — the legislature, executive and judiciary — can be critiqued, challenged and curbed from quietly drifting into the arms of corruption and authoritarianism.
A free, fair, open and uncensored media is an antidote to state power and, for all its failings (and there are many), should be treasured as such. There are many countries around the world whose people would give anything for such a freedom.
Yet calls for the banning of certain opinion pieces, cartoons and commentary have risen in recent months, especially from those using social media, a world where such talk is becoming a trend. It is a trend we must confront.
Censorship is to suppress the harmful, the unacceptable, the obscene and the threatening from the media and other forms of public communication. Like a virus attacking democracy from the inside out, it was traditionally the tool of the dictator, though it is one used by many in power.
[...] It pays to query what those demanding censorship — be they celebrities, social-media activists or anybody else — see their ultimate goal as being.
To reduce hurt? To make the world a better place? Possibly, and those motivations are laudable. But the method employed to achieve them is not.
While censorship may be meant as a figurative horse upon which a better future rides, inside the belly of that horse lurks an army of conformity, quite capable of unwitting oppression.
History shows what happens when the fourth estate is no longer free to table all opinions.
It is a bleak picture. Without the disinfectant of exposure, power and ideals tend to corrupt even the most seemingly incorruptible.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday October 02 2018, @01:08PM (11 children)
but most people don't think others deserve respect. (while demanding it for themselves and their opinions.. )
so don't hold your breath for too much respect (especially when, these days 'with respect' and 'respectfully' are used when people actually mean the diametric opposite)
Maybe the best we can hope for is slightly respectful disagreement, but with people able to say what they think (although, this is the internet - thinking is not a prerequisite)
Or maybe I should downgrade that to "some begrudging acknowledgement that the other people on here are human, too"
Aiming too high?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2, Insightful) by coolgopher on Tuesday October 02 2018, @01:14PM (2 children)
Most people here seem to though, which is what makes civil discourse possible between quite polar view points.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday October 02 2018, @02:27PM
It's a muscle we have to exercise. Here we exercise it a lot.
Out in the world, it has shriveled away to nothing.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 03 2018, @08:40AM
SJWs don't seem to get much respect here. Nor does lonely khallow.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday October 02 2018, @01:25PM (7 children)
Cannot confirm this from where I live my life.
I don't know, maybe I'm lucky to have the entire time of my daily life taken by interaction with people that offer respect.
No, I'm not some kind of tycoon or sumtin, I'm a level-X-down-below technical manager with no team but myself to manage (and I like it this way).
Tolerance is the minimum to be able to function as a society.
But an "indifferent tolerance towards all others" attitude won't make a society advance enough, and you can imagine where stagnation leaves a society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 02 2018, @03:38PM
Not every tool is appropriate for every problem. Indifferent tolerance is not meant to solve the problems of stagnation and it should be no surprise that what it isn't intended to solve, it indeed doesn't solve.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Wednesday October 03 2018, @03:17AM (5 children)
No one *deserves* respect.
Anyone may *earn* respect.
Social lubricants (courtesy and tolerance) are not respect, tho they can facilitate it.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 03 2018, @04:12AM (2 children)
Your choice, mate, I don't have to accept it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday October 03 2018, @04:53AM (1 child)
I would note that this thing with everyone demanding 'respect' started when it became a participation trophy.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 03 2018, @08:37AM
I didn't say I'm demanding respect, I said my choice is to offer respect unconditionally.
Of course, the respect I have for a person varies depending on that person.
The only difference from someone that say "respect is earned, I start by offering 0" is that my the start value that I offer is above zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 03 2018, @03:28PM (1 child)
It depends how you define respect. If in your view there are two sets in which all the humans (and other potentially respectable entities) fall, and the "not respected" set is "abuse at will" set, then I must demand that all unassigned entities must be placed by default in "respected" set, and very small number of *specially deserving abuse* entities perhaps could be placed in "not respected" set.
Because, you see, respect is internalized fear - you learn to respect others as an infant, and the content of respect (and politeness) is actually "act as if it will hurt you to incidentally upset the respected". When you respect someone who is fear-inducing, that is just common sense and damage evasion. When you fear to hurt someone who cannot get back at you - that is being nice and well-brought up (unless you cower before them ... that would be a sign of mental illness).
So, I hope that you actually do respect people (and ... etc.) in general, and you just conflated respect with admiration, the latter, agreed, requiring to be earned.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 05 2018, @11:12AM
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I suggest you define it differently. Respect is a social indication that you care about the other person's attitudes. That can be through fear, but fear is not the only relevant human emotion. You mentioned admiration as if it were a different thing, but that just as well is a reason to show respect.
It can also be phony as in one deems the act to be advantageous, even if one doesn't actual care about the target, for example, the "endeavor to persevere" speech in the movie, The Outlaw Josie Wales.