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posted by chromas on Wednesday October 03 2018, @06:00PM   Printer-friendly
from the every-site-a-framework dept.

Physicist Igor Ljubuncic writes about the dearth of offline graphical web editors. These used to be quite common, but all the established names are long gone and even some of the newer ones are looking neglected. He summarizes what's still available now in 2018 and the relative strengths and weaknesses of these remaining tools.

Once upon a time, there were dozens of WYSIWYG editors, all offering their own wonders, as well as their own range of inconsistencies, garbage code and functionality. I came across the old Nvu back in 2006, upgraded to Kompozer when this one came about, and kept on using it ever since in some form or another, as it offers the simplicity of writing stuff without having to worry about code, plus some serious usability benefits that no other program seems to offer. But then, Kompozer hasn't seen any updates in a long while, and some refresh is needed. What do we have on the table?

And I'll add in a general question, what is your preferred method of dealing with either HTML or CSS or both? Strangely mine is Emacs for the HTML and vi for the CSS.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 03 2018, @11:30PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 03 2018, @11:30PM (#743757)

    Tried the "simple demo" got a blank page, apparently it can't handle an environment without javascript. Oh well...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:18AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:18AM (#743767)

    Yeah sorry,modern web development using things like WebComponents are a javascript based specification, there isn't a way to make that degrade gracefully because you're not creating a static document, you're building an application by composing elements together.

    What this tool does is to allow you to specify the UI layer, as a template in whatever you prefer, HTML or Markdown, and then seamlessly bind to the controller without the need to explicitly declare bindings.

    My point was more or less that with any modern code editor, I've built a handy tool to let you connect any controller to any view doing nothing more than inserting ${var} into the template where you want the controller's this.var to show up. You can get 2 way databinding for free by setting the value of the element(s) to ${var}

    I apologize, if you're just building a static document, the tool isn't helpful.
    But if you're trying to build an interactive application and things like Angular or React feel overly complicated, this does 99% of what they and it does it without the need to import a billion scripts. It tries to do so in an easy and natural way, convention over configuration so to speak.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @10:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @10:03AM (#743966)

      I opened https://telepathic-elements.github.io/demos/simple-demo.html [github.io] in firefox. It's a blank page. Is that right? I can't see what it's meant to do from the HTML.
      Same for https://telepathic-elements.github.io/demos/qr-code-demo.html [github.io]
      Tried in Firefox and Palemoon on Linux.

      Here's the code:

      <qr-code-demo-element></qr-code-demo-element>

      Umatrix has allowed a script to run from the host domain.

      I've seen corporate sites like this. I've rung businesses on the phone to tell them that their site doesn't work.

      JavaScript is enabled. The css and html files are being loaded from the host site. There is an error about loading 'Roboto' css from the googleapi fonts tracking site, but otherwise no errors. Nothing in the console.

      For the hangman one I can see:

      <hangman-game-element></hangman-game-element>

      but there is no content.

      What do we need to do to get these pages to work in Firefox on Linux?