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posted by chromas on Thursday October 04 2018, @10:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the truth-campaign-makes-anti-smokers-look-dum dept.

F.D.A. Seizes Documents From Juul Headquarters

The Food and Drug Administration conducted a surprise inspection of the headquarters of the e-cigarette maker Juul Labs last Friday, carting away more than a thousand documents it said were related to the company's sales and marketing practices.

The move, announced on Tuesday, was seen as an attempt to ratchet up pressure on the company, which controls 72 percent of the e-cigarette market in the United States and whose products have become popular in high schools. The F.D.A. said it was particularly interested in whether Juul deliberately targeted minors as consumers.

"The new and highly disturbing data we have on youth use demonstrates plainly that e-cigarettes are creating an epidemic of regular nicotine use among teens," the F.D.A. said in a statement. "It is vital that we take action to understand and address the particular appeal of, and ease of access to, these products among kids."

Also at CNN and Time.

Previously: Tobacco Roundup (U.S. to Crack Down on Tobacco, Electronic Cigarettes)
E-Cig Maker Juul Valued at $15-16 Billion


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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:07PM (9 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:07PM (#744008) Homepage Journal

    "Sorry, I don't smoke."

    "Don't apologize for not smoking."

    I took one single puff on a cigarette, just once. Damn near knocked me on my ass. That leads me to speculate that quite a lot of effort is required to become a regular cigarette smoker.

    But e-cigarettes are highly customizable; you can even build your own from individual parts that can be had at smoke shops.

    Doubtlessly the "juice" can be had with different levels of nicotine. That and the fact that it comes in so many tasty flavors - I rather enjoy the smell of a nearby e-cigarette - leads me to speculate that it's quite easy to become a regular e-cig smoker.

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  • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:16PM (7 children)

    by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:16PM (#744019)

    > smoker
    Vaper, to be precise. And depending on the stuff you put it can be harmless or right out illegal.

    I don't mind vapers, they (possibly) hurt themselves but it's their choice. There is no tar in the air for others.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:24PM (6 children)

      by VLM (445) on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:24PM (#744026)

      There is no tar in the air for others.

      The stench a coworker could generate in the office with his vape pen was amazing. I'm sure its 1000x less dangerous than cig smoke but it should still be an "outside" thing. Technically HR had banned vape in the workplace but it wasn't enforced until a coworker sitting nearby mr stinky started retaliating with literal stink-bombs.

      Vaping was not exactly the worst thing I've smelled in the workplace. A korean-bro microwaved something involving fermented fish that pretty well evac'd the office.

      Part of the problem vape dudes generated is some of their juices are probably odorless yet they insist on trying to use weird smelling vape indoors... if they just stuck to flavorless nicotine they'd probably get away with it but there's always some idiot huffing pinesol or burnt caramel or something.

      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:39PM (4 children)

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:39PM (#744038) Homepage Journal

        -bs".

        That sounds like fun.

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        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:59PM (2 children)

          by VLM (445) on Thursday October 04 2018, @12:59PM (#744047)

          What you didn't have those as a kid? You can get them on amazon even today, pretty cheap. Little glass vials of smelly liquid designed to easily crack. They're designed to crack if you throw them hard so my coworker threw them in the metal trash can and they stink up the place pretty well for five minutes.

          A minute with google demonstrates technology marches on and a replacement technology is "liquid ass" in a spray bottle; similar enough idea. Actually that label is a pretty dumb idea, they should sell the liquid ass product with a fake label as a practical joke, so you can get the office stinker who's always spraying the air with "christmas tree pine with cinnamon" which is nice the first time but not after awhile. "oh look someone left a spray bottle of warm apple pie on my desk" "squirt squirt" and her desk smells like liquid ass for an hour. I use the her pronoun as its always a woman who has to go all weirdo on air fresheners, in my experience.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @02:11PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @02:11PM (#744078)

            Psychologists have proven that the fart spray you mention makes people hate guys who run their bare genitals on kittens, even if the kitten likes it:

            Participants were randomly assigned to one of three conditions differing in the level of disgusting odor present. The conditions were identical except for the quantity of fart spray applied to the bag lining a trash bucket hidden approximately 6 feet from the participant.
            [...]
            Matthew is playing with his new kitten late one night. He is wearing only his boxer shorts, and the kitten sometimes walks over his genitals. Eventually, this arouses him, and he begins to rub his bare genitals along the kitten’s body. The kitten purrs, and seems to enjoy the contact. How wrong is it for Matthew to be rubbing himself against the kitten?

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2562923/#APP1 [nih.gov]

            • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday October 04 2018, @07:09PM

              by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday October 04 2018, @07:09PM (#744258) Homepage Journal

              Some day, I hope to perform the kind of research that scores government grants so I can study the attitudes among the American people of eating your dog after it was killed in a car crash.

              As for legalizing marriage among first cousins:

              Not long after my hot teenage first cousin kissed me smack on the lips when I was but nine years old, my father quite cheerfully explained tome that it was completely cool to "marry" one's _second_ cousin, but to "marry" one's first cousin would result in children with such recessive traits as webbed fingers and toes.

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by TheFool on Thursday October 04 2018, @02:03PM

          by TheFool (7105) on Thursday October 04 2018, @02:03PM (#744072)

          They were.

          As a rural kid, when fair came to town the carnies would be selling cool things, including these stink bombs. That was really the only place we could get them. They weren't supposed to sell them to kids, but obviously most of them did anyway if they thought they could get away with it. So, naturally, all the kids in town would save up and buy a good supply of them. For the next few months you'd never know when the overwhelming smell of rotten eggs would come up. They did come in glass vials, so I guess you did get tiny bits of broken glass around, but it was mostly harmless fun.

          Liquid ass was good too, but it had one major drawback - you still had the can after you deployed the ass. It was more suited for convincing someone else to spray it on your behalf. Stink bombs could be deployed discreetly, so if you had half a brain and didn't carry the rest with you you were OK from being blamed.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @07:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04 2018, @07:26PM (#744269)

        I have a cupboard filled with flavors and straight VG & PG for mixing up flavors, but 50% of the time I go with straight unflavored juice. THe rest of the time it's just light mint flavors, sometimes with a hint of tobacco or clove. I really don't understand the crazy shit people do.

  • (Score: 2) by sjames on Friday October 05 2018, @01:09AM

    by sjames (2882) on Friday October 05 2018, @01:09AM (#744427) Journal

    True, but to be fair, it's also easy to not use nicotine while vaping. It's even easy to use "yeah, sure, all the time" nicotine if you think that makes you 50% cooler.

    I object to the cl;aims that the simple act of adding flavors means marketing to kids given that adults like the flavors too. I do see some point to the thought that using the nicotine salts rather than the more typical forms is targeting teens since many former smokers find that the roughness of the vape contributes to their ability to replace cigarettes with vape.