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posted by martyb on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the further-privatizing dept.

Afghan officials reject push to privatize war

Afghan officials have rejected a proposal by Blackwater founder Erik Prince to have his private military contracting company take over the training and advising of the Afghan armed forces.

Prince lobbied several Afghan politicians on a recent trip to the country and has been discussing his proposal to privatize parts of the U.S. military mission in the country for over a year, according to Reuters.

But Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has repeatedly dismissed the idea. "Under no circumstances will the Afghan government and people allow the counterterrorism fight to become a private, for-profit business," Ghani's national security adviser said in a statement to Reuters Thursday.

U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis has also rejected the proposal, saying in August, "When Americans put their nation's credibility on the line, privatizing it is probably not a wise idea."

See also: The Last Americans Fighting in Afghanistan
17 years later, Americans tend to consider Afghanistan a failure


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:08AM (9 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:08AM (#745315) Journal
    Ah, an argument from expertise fallacy. The obvious rebuttal is that there's no excuse for your ignorance then.

    Your comment about making rules the mercs would have to follow proves what a dumbass you are. In a war zone, there are no rules when the only reason you're there is to earn money. If you'd been in a war like I have, you fuckign hit-talking poseur, you'd know that.

    Which Geneva Convention is that in? /sarc

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:57AM (8 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:57AM (#745355) Journal

    No wonder such libertarians with their obvious rebuttals are so ignorant of law, and especially the ius gentium or law of peoples otherwise known as international law. When you think, as does Prince and/or DeVoss, that the market is the best solution to anything, then of course law is nothing but a cost of doing business that should be avoided or annulled. All businessmen, as khallow and Sulla both know, are inherently mercenaries and bandits, redlegs and mauraders. So here is the relevant convention. Silly khallow.

    The Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May Be Deemed to Be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects as amended on 21 December 2001(CCW) is usually referred to as the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. It is also known as the Inhumane Weapons Convention.

    The purpose of the Convention is to ban or restrict the use of specific types of weapons that are considered to cause unnecessary or unjustifiable suffering to combatants or to affect civilians indiscriminately. The structure of the CCW – a chapeau Convention and annexed Protocols – was adopted in this manner to ensure future flexibility. The Convention itself contains only general provisions. All prohibitions or restrictions on the use of specific weapons or weapon systems are the object of the Protocols annexed to the Convention.

    The original Convention with three annexed Protocols were adopted on 10 October 1980 and opened for signature for one year from 10 April 1981. A total of 50 States signed the Convention, which entered into force on 2 December 1983.

    Got that? The CCW [www.unog.ch], not Geneva. Do try to keep up on the conventions, and the Protocols Additional to the Geneva Conventions. And some understanding of when international law comes into force, and why being a non-signatory does not, after a certain level of approval by all nations, release even mercenary scumbags like (formerly known as ) Blackwater from the jurisdiction of the laws of humanity. They might be coming for you, khallow, despite John Bolton's best efforts the make America into a Rogue Nation and Hive of scum and mercenaries.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:04AM (7 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:04AM (#745359) Journal
      The obvious rebuttal to that is "woosh".
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:11AM (6 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:11AM (#745362) Journal

        Ignorance does not "whoosh" make, khallow! Once again, you should know when your obvious rebuttals are just stalling, and admit you do not know what you are talking about. Otherwise you just display your ignorance to the world.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:37AM (5 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:37AM (#745373) Journal

          Ignorance does not "whoosh" make, khallow!

          Actually yes, it does. What you wrote had nothing to do with my post. It's typical aristarchus straw man beating.

          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:52AM (4 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:52AM (#745377) Journal

            Convention Against the use of Mercenaries:
            http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/44/a44r034.htm [un.org]
            I usually recommend the Minnesota http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/ [umn.edu] Human Rights Library. Really, khallow, it does no good to actually read what you write, when 1. you know not of what you write, and 2. you consistently argue in bad faith.

            Oh, by the way, Yale and Maryland are now suspect when it comes to the rule of law, so evaluate sources, people!

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @06:14AM (3 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 07 2018, @06:14AM (#745399) Journal
              And now a non sequitur since that was irrelevant to my previous two posts.

              Let us note that the four "contractors" weren't mercenaries by the document you quoted, aristarchus.

              A mercenary is any person who:

              (a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;

              (b) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar rank and functions in the armed forces of that party;

              (c) Is neither a national of a party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a party to the conflict;

              (d) Is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict; and

              (e) Has not been sent by a State which is not a party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.

              2. A mercenary is also any person who, in any other situation:

              (a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad for the purpose of participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at:

              (i) Overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the constitutional order of a State; or

              (ii) Undermining the territorial integrity of a State;

              (b) Is motivated to take part therein essentially by the desire for significant private gain and is prompted by the promise or payment of material compensation;

              (c) Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such an act is directed;

              (d) Has not been sent by a State on official duty; and

              (e) Is not a member of the armed forces of the State on whose territory the act is undertaken.

              Notice the bolded parts. To qualify as a mercenary, for the purpose of this treaty, one has to be recruited for the purpose of directly fighting in a conflict, not merely being armed in a war zone.

              I'm tired of this dumbshit stuff you do, aristarchus. You didn't think a bit before dumping that link. It was completely irrelevant in at least two ways.

              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday October 07 2018, @09:22AM (2 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday October 07 2018, @09:22AM (#745426) Journal

                Sounds like something a merc would say. "Security Contractor"! "Auxillary Forces". "Training and advising". Yeah, right. Bad faith, khallow, the obvious rebuttal is mercenary bad faith.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:22PM (1 child)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:22PM (#745463) Journal
                  Well, you could always look instead of just saying stupid things? Every story has the contractors in question escorting a convoy, allegedly of food. It has some degree of military value since it's supplies for the US side, but the guys weren't there to fight in the war.

                  And training and advising of the current story is a legitimate, non-mercenary role for private enterprise by the very link you deigned to provide.
                  • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Monday October 08 2018, @08:01AM

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday October 08 2018, @08:01AM (#745859) Journal

                    legitimate, non-mercenary role for private enterprise

                    Oxymoron, khallow, a "sharp idiot" literally from the Greek, but "contradiction in terms" will suffice. The problem with mercenaries is that the look like soldiers, the problem is they act like private enterprise. Which means, conversely, the problem with Mercantilists is not that that look like private entrepreneurs, but that they are already mercenary, about everything, from blood tests to cancer drugs, to sex and copyrights, education and war. The problem with the "Merchants of Death" is the merchant part, not the dying bit.