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posted by martyb on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the not-going-to-space-today dept.

Soyuz FG fails during ascent – Soyuz MS-10 crew safe after ballistic entry abort

The Russian federal space agency, Roscosmos, launched their Soyuz MS-10 crew vehicle with two new crewmembers that were set for the International Space Station. However, the launch – which took place on Thursday at 0840 UTC from Baikonur – failed a few minutes into flight. Soyuz MS-10 was then aborted on a ballistic entry, before safely landing downrange of the launch site.

The crewed Soyuz, which would normally ferry three people to the Station, was carrying a reduced crew complement as part of Russia's initiative to keep their total crew presence on Station to just two until the launch, late next year, of their primary science lab, Nauka.

However, those plans are unlikely to apply now Soyuz MS-10 has failed to arrive at the ISS, with the Soyuz FG likely to be grounded for some time as a State Commision invesigation[sic] takes place.

Also at The Verge, Reuters, and CNN, and CBS.


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  • (Score: 2) by LVDOVICVS on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:52PM (15 children)

    by LVDOVICVS (6131) on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:52PM (#747603)

    First a hole in a Soyuz transport. Now, this. Anyone have any theories as to what's going on?

    I'll make an opening bid of it being Russian(s) interested in discrediting their corrupt government.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:55PM (4 children)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:55PM (#747604)

    Raise you on Russian government blames NASA for sabotaging Soyuz; uses it as political leverage against US

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:09PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:09PM (#747617) Journal

      What leverage? The USG and Putin have had bad relations for years, even under President Trump.

      And soon, SpaceX and Boeing will be carrying astronauts to the ISS. Although the timeline probably won't speed up too much:

      https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/10/a-soyuz-crew-makes-an-emergency-landing-after-rocket-fails/?comments=1&start=160 [arstechnica.com]

      There is no open spot.

      The Dragon 2 has the new IDSS docking port. It can only dock at [one] of the [IDAs] on the ISS. The IDAs are too close to the CBM used by the HTV launched by Japan. This is why Dragon was delayed until January to give time to unload the HTV and deorbit it before launching the Dragon.

      The Russian orbital segment uses a completely different docking port.

      On edit:
      I realized that was acronym soup
      IDSS - international docking system standard (a common port for both docking and berthing)
      IDA - International docking adapter (an adapter installed on the ISS to convert the existing port to the IDSS)
      CBM - Common Berthing Mechanism. A port for bething not docking cargo spacecraft (and also berthing ISS modules together).
      HTV - H-II Transfer Vehicle. Japan's cargo spacecraft for resupplying the ISS

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      • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday October 12 2018, @12:27AM (1 child)

        by legont (4179) on Friday October 12 2018, @12:27AM (#747725)

        Soon? It seems more likely to me that no American rocket will carry humans to this space station ever.

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    • (Score: 2) by Rivenaleem on Friday October 12 2018, @09:48AM

      by Rivenaleem (3400) on Friday October 12 2018, @09:48AM (#747837)

      Trump has private meeting with Putin, Soyuz ships start failing, coincidence?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:59PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 11 2018, @07:59PM (#747608)

    Is it statistically significant? If not then who cares?

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:06PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:06PM (#747614) Journal

      Does it get CLICKS? That's who cares!

      (I wish I had known beforehand that it's a bad idea to roll a joint with flash paper.)

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Sulla on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:12PM (6 children)

    by Sulla (5173) on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:12PM (#747618) Journal

    As we all know all things bad and wrong are Russians. Even if the action does not expressly benefit Russia it is safe to assume that this was done by Russians to spite other Russians to in some way help Mother Russia. My take is that chances are everyone onboard the ISS are Russians or [[[AINO]]] (Americans in name only). This action was either done by Russians or AINOs onboard the ISS to cause friction between the American and Russian factions and aid in Trump's goal in going to war with Russia. Or alternatively if that doesn't pan out because Trump is an AINO, most likely its a trick to make it look like we are at enemies with Russia so that Trump can trick us into peace with our great enemy.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:20PM (5 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:20PM (#747624) Journal

      The Russians can blame the Chinese.

      The Chinese can blame the US.

      Trump can tweet about how the Russians are our best friends. The very best. You've never seen a friend as good as Russia. And believe me, I know who to make friends with. We have the best chemistry. The very best. While China is hacking our mother's boards. We should open up DoD contract bidding to the Russians.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:42PM (4 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday October 11 2018, @08:42PM (#747634) Journal

        I think right now the Chinese have the most to gain between increased US-Russian tensions. Doesn't mean we should be overly friendly with Russia, but if I had to choose one or the other I would rather be on the side with Russia.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Thursday October 11 2018, @09:02PM (3 children)

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 11 2018, @09:02PM (#747648) Journal

          That's true. Due to its crappy economy and demographics, Russia will never have the same power and influence it had before the collapse of the Soviet Union. China on the other hand has almost everything it needs or more to compete with the U.S. on the world stage.

          The problem is that Russia is run by Vladimir Putin and United Russia, and conflict with the West is good politics for them. Until the one party rule in Russia ends, any relationship with them will remain unsteady. And we don't know what would come after Putin and United Russia.

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          • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday October 11 2018, @10:47PM (2 children)

            by Sulla (5173) on Thursday October 11 2018, @10:47PM (#747695) Journal

            That is interesting.. Would having a positive relationship with one-party Russia harm or hurt us when/if they finally break free? I recall articles from a while back where Russia was working on their own great firewall, this could significantly hamper their chances to break free I would assume.

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            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Thursday October 11 2018, @11:38PM (1 child)

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 11 2018, @11:38PM (#747714) Journal

              I don't think we'll have any problem with that at this point. Like I said, even Trump has not brought the two nations much closer together. We've repeatedly imposed sanctions on Russia this year.

              Other Western countries are pretty much on the same page. For example, the UK [bellingcat.com].

              I don't think a firewall is going to do much. Russians aren't like the Chinese. There is significant support for United Russia, but plenty of opposition as well. It's just not very cohesive in the face of Putin. But they will become emboldened.

              Putin is likely to retire or die at some point. He could retire as early as 2024. That event alone will be very risky for United Russia. A Putin successor might not have anywhere near the popular support of Putin, and might not have the balls to do whatever it takes to win. Meanwhile, Russia faces some economic problems while population growth is low and the population is getting older. Check out a population pyramid [wikipedia.org]. Many people will be hitting retirement age soon.

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              • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday October 12 2018, @12:35AM

                by legont (4179) on Friday October 12 2018, @12:35AM (#747726)

                Right now Russian stock market has Schiller P/E 6 and dividend yield 7%. A typical model would estimate an average return of 25-30% annual in dollar index terms over the next 10 years.

                Here is (an amateurish) example of an estimate https://www.gurufocus.com/global-market-valuation.php?country=RUS [gurufocus.com]

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 11 2018, @10:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 11 2018, @10:58PM (#747700)

    #CrookedHillary should not be ruled out... she has it in for the Russkies.