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Raspberry Pi fans up in arms as Mathematica disappears from Raspbian downloads
Knickers have become ever so twisty over the last few days as fans of the diminutive Raspberry Pi computer and its Raspbian operating system noted that Mathematica had been "removed".
The conspiracy theories kicked off when users noted two simple words in the release notes for the latest and greatest version of Raspbian: * Removed Mathematica.
Discussions soon popped up on the Raspberry Pi Foundation's own forums and elsewhere as to what the exclusion might mean.
The leading theory was that the contract that allowed the Foundation to bundle the pricey system for free for the education-orientated Pi had expired. Mathematica Desktop for Students, after all, starts at £105 (plus taxes), so getting it for free made the Pi somewhat of a steal.
A Raspberry Pi engineer confirmed the expiration theory in a forum posting, stating: "The contract was for five years and has expired."
However, Wolfram Research contradicted this yesterday with a tweet confirming that Mathematica would indeed continue to be available on the Pi and even gave some handy commands to download the thing.
[...] El Reg additionally got in touch with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and were told by its head honcho, Eben Upton, that the issue was also one of download size (as observed by several forum posters). Upton observed that removing Mathematica "takes a chunk of size out of the most commonly downloaded image (it's never been present in the 'lite' image, but this also lacks the desktop and various other bits)".
However, with not a little bit of understatement, he added: "That said, there's been lots of grumbling, so we might end up putting it back."
Going forwards, Mathematica could well end up being installed on physical media (such as SD cards) but left as an option for downloads.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by urza9814 on Wednesday October 17 2018, @05:24PM (5 children)
...so it's something you can download and install for free later if you choose to do so? Exactly as it should have been from the beginning? What exactly is the problem here? This is an image designed to fit on a four gig SD card "hard drive". It is not designed for desktop PCs with terrabyte drives. It does not need to have every goddamn thing anybody might want to use preinstalled. Maybe now I'll actually have enough room to install my own software without having uninstall a bunch of this stuff first...
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 17 2018, @06:32PM (4 children)
Yes but you're an evil master hacker and not a poor defaults-only kinda normie!
/s
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Yog-Yogguth on Wednesday October 17 2018, @07:48PM (1 child)
We "need" a new moderation option of +1 Hug :D (not sarcasm).
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(Score: 2, Disagree) by fyngyrz on Wednesday October 17 2018, @11:51PM
Good luck with any moderation ideas, serious or otherwise. As with Slashdot, much could be done to improve the moderation system here, but the powers-that-be have dug in rather firmly. Even using "Disagree" has been described by no less a site luminary than the The mighty Buzzard as "using the system wrong [soylentnews.org]."
He is, of course, very wrong, but as he writes the code, there's no coming back from his not being willing to change his mind on the matter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18 2018, @08:18AM (1 child)
Well, a person fiddling with Raspberry PI is not someone I would call "defaults-only kinda normie"
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday October 18 2018, @12:56PM
I think that's rather debatable, depending on whose marketing you're looking at. The Raspberry Pi Foundation is still largely pushing these things as an educational device, which is exactly why they include all of this software in the first place. And pretty much by definition, if it's being used to educate people about computers, software, and electronics, then the user probably doesn't know much about those topics.
Of course, if you look at hobbyist retailers who tend to categorize the thing as a dev kit, then yes the expected user probably has some clue what they're doing with it.