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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday October 17 2018, @04:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the berry-berry-angry dept.

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Raspberry Pi fans up in arms as Mathematica disappears from Raspbian downloads

Knickers have become ever so twisty over the last few days as fans of the diminutive Raspberry Pi computer and its Raspbian operating system noted that Mathematica had been "removed".

The conspiracy theories kicked off when users noted two simple words in the release notes for the latest and greatest version of Raspbian: * Removed Mathematica.

Discussions soon popped up on the Raspberry Pi Foundation's own forums and elsewhere as to what the exclusion might mean.

The leading theory was that the contract that allowed the Foundation to bundle the pricey system for free for the education-orientated Pi had expired. Mathematica Desktop for Students, after all, starts at £105 (plus taxes), so getting it for free made the Pi somewhat of a steal.

A Raspberry Pi engineer confirmed the expiration theory in a forum posting, stating: "The contract was for five years and has expired."

However, Wolfram Research contradicted this yesterday with a tweet confirming that Mathematica would indeed continue to be available on the Pi and even gave some handy commands to download the thing.

[...] El Reg additionally got in touch with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and were told by its head honcho, Eben Upton, that the issue was also one of download size (as observed by several forum posters). Upton observed that removing Mathematica "takes a chunk of size out of the most commonly downloaded image (it's never been present in the 'lite' image, but this also lacks the desktop and various other bits)".

However, with not a little bit of understatement, he added: "That said, there's been lots of grumbling, so we might end up putting it back."

Going forwards, Mathematica could well end up being installed on physical media (such as SD cards) but left as an option for downloads.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by urza9814 on Thursday October 18 2018, @01:30PM

    by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday October 18 2018, @01:30PM (#750425) Journal

    This makes it sound all doom, manipulative, evil capitalist twisting mustaches when planning on plotting on how to foreclose on the orphanage. But think about what the alternative is.

    "You need to spend $335 [wolfram.com] to buy software, untested and sight unseen. Hopefully it works on your computer."

    Is that really a better world to live in? Do we really want to pillory companies for offering software demos? They aren't even force-bundling it into the original image. So what is the complaint here? (Well, except for the "they used to give this to me for free, why should I pay for it" regular complaint people have when they want something for nothing... which we all do, of course.)

    If someone were offering free cigarettes on the street corner would you defend it with the same logic?

    Consider that Torvalds created Linux because he wanted a Unix-like environment at home and the commercial Unixes were too expensive, so he made his own. Had he been offered a free non-commercial home trial version of some mainstream Unix, would we have Linux today? Probably not. Would we have all of the software that has since been built around Linux? I expect that such a trial version would have destroyed a lot which many of us here at Soylent cherish.

    They aren't giving this stuff away for free just to be nice, they're giving it away for free to get people hooked. It's just a marketing tactic, no better than the auto-play video ads they cram on every website they can. And it trains people to accept proprietary software, to accept that you don't have a right to control what is done on your own computer. That you might "buy" the computer, but the person who actually owns it is the software producer.

    And, considering TFA here, it looks like it worked.

    The purpose of a Raspberry Pi is to teach people to program, and to build circuits, and to learn to control their computing devices. The purpose of proprietary software is to teach people that they can't do any of those things unless they're part of a major software corporation. These are not compatible missions. A free trial doesn't change that.

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