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posted by mrpg on Friday October 19 2018, @12:49PM   Printer-friendly
from the I'd-steal-a-car-and-a-DVD dept.

The Australian Communications Minister is proposing "game changing" laws crack down on Piracy by forcing search engines such as Google to filter content results thereby removing the path people have to finding illegal content online.

[...] Under the proposed laws to be introduced to Parliament today, authorities will also be able to force search engines like Google to stop "unashamedly facilitating crime" by promoting pirate sites that allow internet users to illegally download music or films.

Graham Burke, chief executive of Australian film company Village Roadshow, last night hailed the new laws as game-changing for the industry while slamming Google for acting "as evil as Big Tobacco" in its online behaviour.

"We stand ready to be co-operative with Google. We see good Google and bad Google. But bad Google is as evil as Big Tobacco was 30 years ago. They know what they're doing. They know they're facilitating and enabling crime and it's time for them to clean their act up," he told News Corp.

He accused Google of "unashamedly facilitating crime" by taking people to criminal pirate websites.

Does the Australian government really need to give weapons to special interest groups to enforce civil laws the majority of people do not support?


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @04:35PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @04:35PM (#751001)

    Then you shouldn't be worried. The fact that you are, indicates that you have.

    Apples and oranges. I am not "worried" about my business, I simply want people to pay for my "product" if they find it to be something they choose to use.

    This isn't binary situation no matter how poorly you want to frame it.

  • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday October 19 2018, @06:41PM (7 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday October 19 2018, @06:41PM (#751076) Journal
    If you're worried about whether or not you will receive sufficient renumeration, then it sounds like you're worried about your business. How would you distinguish the two?

    Are are you saying you receive sufficient renumeration but it just bothers you that someone, somewhere, might be using what you made without paying you directly for the privilege?
    --
    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:44PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:44PM (#751113)

      Does it bother me that some may be using my "product" without compensating me for my work? Yes. Would it bother you if your employer (or customers/clients if you run your own business) did not pay you for your work? How often should you be expected to accept that happening before you think it was enough (or too much)? Would you put up with your boss skipping paying you an entire paycheck? More? Less?

      Any work I give away for free (e.g., to charities) is mine to give away, as are the donations I give. If I do not donate my work I do not believe it is unreasonable for me to be paid for my work.

      • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday October 19 2018, @07:54PM (2 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Friday October 19 2018, @07:54PM (#751118) Journal
        "Would it bother you if your employer (or customers/clients if you run your own business) did not pay you for your work?"

        No, actually, as long as I receive sufficient renumeration for my work it doesn't bother me a bit that sometimes people who didn't directly contribute to that renumeration benefit from my work. To the contrary, I'd say it's a point of pride. Any time you make the world a better place, you benefit many people who did not and will not pay you squat. Many people who haven't been born yet, and who won't be born until after you die, if you're lucky! It's absurd to be bothered by that, petty and twisted.

        "If I do not donate my work I do not believe it is unreasonable for me to be paid for my work. "

        And again, no one has suggested otherwise in any way.

        But you seem to have stipulated that you ARE being paid for your work, correct? "Sufficient renumeration." That's not the issue you say.

        You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.
        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @09:59PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @09:59PM (#751172)

          No, actually, as long as I receive sufficient renumeration for my work it doesn't bother me a bit that sometimes people who didn't directly contribute to that renumeration benefit from my work.

          That's a slick way of avoiding the question. If you work for a company, and sometimes they don't pay you for the hours you work, is that OK with you?
          - If yes, how often will you accept that? A few hours per paycheck? Maybe a whole paycheck one in a while?
          - If no, why not? And why should someone else not get paid for their work if it's not OK for you not to get paid for your work?

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday October 20 2018, @02:53AM

            by Arik (4543) on Saturday October 20 2018, @02:53AM (#751252) Journal
            You're the one twisting - you've twisted up a scenario that doesn't even resemble the situation under discussion.

            How about this - my employer pays me just fine, but lots of people other than my employer make use of my work, those other people don't pay me a cent. Some of them don't even make an indirect financial contribution to me.

            And that's just fine. I get paid for what I do. I don't expect to collect residuals in perpetuity on every job I ever did.
            --
            If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Friday October 19 2018, @09:15PM (1 child)

        by VLM (445) on Friday October 19 2018, @09:15PM (#751154)

        Would you put up with your boss skipping paying you an entire paycheck?

        My ex-bosses haven't paid me for programming done since I quit working there, although I know they still use my software. They own the copyright so I only mean "my" in the sense that I wrote it, not that I own it. I don't really care, because I seem to have plenty of money...

        No matter how much people don't like it, the future of "software like a book or vinyl record" will die out in favor of working on contract kinda like kickstarter or living off support contracts. Some biz models work, some don't, and no amount of legal support can keep a dead business model alive indefinitely.

        I got a corporate overlord to donate money to a guy's patreon who wrote a FOSS library I used in a product that was license-compatible with a undistributed internal project I was working on; that's the future of the whole software dev world. How do you propose to "steal" this dude's FOSS library from him via google searches? He wants as many people as possible to download and use it for free, although he's making plenty of money semi-indirectly.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @01:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @01:08AM (#751232)

          We seem to put up with court orders for jury duty.

          Everyone else involved in the dispute is getting paid.

          Except the juror. Which is compelled by order of the court.

      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Friday October 19 2018, @09:18PM

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Friday October 19 2018, @09:18PM (#751156) Journal

        > Does it bother me that some may be using my "product" without compensating me for my work? Yes.

        Then, libraries and used book and record stores bother you? Friends trading paperback books and listening to each other's CD and DVD collections, and playing on each other's computers, that bothers you too?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:41PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:41PM (#751077)

    I am not "worried" about my business

    Everything you've said here indicates that this is a blatant lie. You expect people to believe that you're not worried about your business, but that you're merely worried about people not paying for your "product," which is directly related to your business. Okay.

    You're playing word games, just like a typical copyright thug.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:48PM (#751115)

      Sorry that your feelings are hurt. It sounds like it is clouding your judgement.

      I'm not playing word games. I'm simply being accurate and precise. This [soylentnews.org] should answer your assertions. If not, read it again.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:43PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:43PM (#751079)

    Your product is your performance, not the recording. The recording is advertisement. And if I have a copy, it is mine, and I have the right share or dispose of it as I see fit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:38PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @07:38PM (#751108)

      Sorry, I'm not a musician. But thanks for playing.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @09:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @09:22PM (#751158)

        Then you work for hire. Keep your ideas to yourself until someone pays.