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posted by mrpg on Friday October 19 2018, @02:19PM   Printer-friendly
from the or-suffering-it dept.

Phys.org:

When we think of slavery, many of us think of historical or so-called "traditional forms" of slavery – and of the 12m people ripped from their West African homes and shipped across the Atlantic for a lifetime in the plantations of the Americas.

But slavery is not just something that happened in the past –- the modern day estimate for the number of men, women and children forced into labour worldwide exceeds 40m. Today's global slave trade is so lucrative that it nets traffickers more than US$150 billion each year.

The article asserts that much of today's slavery is being driven by the demand for electronic goods.


[Edit: fixed ILO links]

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  • (Score: 2) by Snow on Friday October 19 2018, @03:12PM (31 children)

    by Snow (1601) on Friday October 19 2018, @03:12PM (#750949) Journal

    I see you wear your ignorance on your sleeve like a badge of honor!

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  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @03:30PM (23 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @03:30PM (#750958) Journal

    No way, people moving from place to place of their own will is exactly the same as slavery.

    It is true that some of the authoritarian enforcement of immigration laws certainly enables modern-day slavers by removing chunks of the population from any willingness to engage with the law, if they're, say, robbed of their documentation and threatened with false deportation if they don't follow orders. But I can't help but think that maybe this user wants a little more of that.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:42PM (21 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:42PM (#750968)

      You should read more [oup.com] much more [theguardian.com]

      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @03:48PM (20 children)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @03:48PM (#750973) Journal

        Or you could read your own dumb paper, dumbass

        As well as sharing the assumption that the social relationships generated by ‘smuggling’ end on arrival in the country of destination, Jeffreys fails to consider that, having been complicit in what is deemed to be ‘a crime against the state’, people’s opportunities to fend for themselves are usually heavily restricted, and this, in combination with fear of losing their physical freedom and/or being deported if apprehended, can lead them to accept, and/or be unable to retract from, hugely exploitative, sometimes violent, employment relations and extremely poor working conditions.

        Man, that sure sounds like exactly the point I was making, almost point for point.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:58PM (19 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:58PM (#750981)

          Man, that sure sounds like exactly the point I was making, almost point for point.

          Sounds nothing like.

          robbed of their documentation and threatened with false deportation

          Illegal immigrants are illegal, border enforcement prevents slavery and discourages trafficking (AKA: slavery). Nice try though.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @04:19PM (18 children)

            by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @04:19PM (#750997) Journal

            ... even commented on the problem of debt bondage and involuntary servitude among some groups of migrant workers legally present abroad in its ‘Trafficking in Persons Report’, remarking on the ‘intentional imposition of exploitative and often illegal costs and debts on these laborers in the source country or state, often with the complicity and/or support of labor agencies and employers in the destination country or state’

            Man, it's almost like your entire worldview and everything about it is trash and even the sources you use to justify it to yourself are practically screaming at you that you're creating a humanitarian crisis for a vague notion of law and order.

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @04:32PM (17 children)

              by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @04:32PM (#751000) Journal

              Also, if you want to read about how ICE has been turned against people convicted of trivial offenses like traffic violations, while being green card holders, people present on valid work visas, or even US citizens(6% of deporations are full on citizens. 6%) read this [american.edu] report on the consequences of increased enforcement.

              You are an enabler. You make slavery happen, AC.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:14PM (15 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:14PM (#751025)

                A Green Card is a work and residence permit, you can still be deported for breaking the law. Imagine that! [thelocal.se] Denaturalization occurs when a citizenship application has been deemed invalid due to fraud - typically failure to mention being subject to criminal investigation. None of this has anything to do with slavery.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:24PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:24PM (#751033)

                  Fun how this idiot focuses on the tiny aspects that can help steer the topic back to what they want. 6% you clueless fuck, 6%!

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:42PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:42PM (#751047)

                    Fun how this idiot focuses on the tiny aspects that can help steer the topic back to what they want

                    I thought we were discussing modern slavery.

                    6% you clueless fuck, 6%!

                    6 people out of every 100 deportations were naturalized citizens who had their citizenship revoked due to fraudulent applications and decided not to leave and seek readmission of their own volition. [uscis.gov] What exactly is it that you find so confusing here?

                • (Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @05:33PM (12 children)

                  by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @05:33PM (#751040) Journal

                  Yes, yes, please tell me more things I know and just posted a link to a detailed analysis of. Does your sanctimony and condescension totally makes up for your profound and unending ignorance?

                  the fact that legal immigrants can be and are deported for trivial offenses is exactly what makes them vulnerable to enslaved you absolute dumbshit. Did you read the report, 90% of the cases of that are legal trivialities like parking and traffic violations. You vile inhuman monster who creates laws that rapidly increasing levels of human slavery [thehill.com]. And then you come here to post about how that very slavery you went out of your goddamn way to abet, can be fixed with more of the same.

                  Do you have any idea how psychopathic your politics are? Do you? Do you realize how much human suffering exists because of you?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:26PM (11 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:26PM (#751067)

                    the fact that legal immigrants can be and are deported for trivial offenses is exactly what makes them vulnerable to enslaved

                    People are deported for breaking the law when they go on holiday, the idea of holidaymakers are vulnerable to slavery due to the threat of deportation is brilliant. Somebody should write a comedy about it.

                    Do you have any idea how psychopathic your politics are? Do you? Do you realize how much human suffering exists because of you?

                    Psychopathic like pity-plays and emotional blackmail?

                    • (Score: 3, Touché) by ikanreed on Friday October 19 2018, @06:43PM (10 children)

                      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @06:43PM (#751078) Journal

                      Look, you can whine and complain about being a victim when people quite rightly point out that you cause tremendous amounts of human suffering. I can't stop you from being a vile piece of shit, and I definetly can't stop you from being a whiny bitch about it.

                      But I could at least make you aware. And how you pointlessly rationalize your inhuman beliefs is really out of my control.

                      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:54PM (8 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:54PM (#751088)

                        Your work is appreciated, always gotta speak out against crazy or some suckers might think they have some validity.

                        • (Score: 3, Touché) by VLM on Friday October 19 2018, @07:31PM (7 children)

                          by VLM (445) on Friday October 19 2018, @07:31PM (#751104)

                          The crazy is endless explanations of how the USA is the most evil place on the planet filled with horrible white males and thats why we need to send more immigrants here so we can torture them.

                          I'm just saying, if I know going to Taco Bell means explosive digestion issues, I have a trivial solution which is not to go there. Its not like the whole freak'n rest of the world doesn't have something to eat.

                          Why do some people want to torture brown people by sending them to the hateful hitler-filled white male dominated USA? Thats kinda evil... Them brown people didn't do anything bad enough to deserve having to live in the USA. In fact the leftists should probably leave, to teach those right wingers a lesson, LOL.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:07PM (2 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:07PM (#751126)

                            if I know going to Taco Bell means explosive digestion issues, I have a trivial solution which is not to go there.

                            That's a good frist step, but it's incomplete as is. I mean, you can go to a local, authentic Mexican place, but those are all sit-down restaurants. What about when I want a decent smothered burrito or a couple carne asada tacos on the go?! We desperately need taco trucks on every corner if we expect to drive Taco Bell out of business!

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @09:45AM (1 child)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @09:45AM (#751338)

                              What about when I want a decent smothered burrito or a couple carne asada

                              With the key word being "decent", you won't go to Taco Bell.

                              Border Sauce - Diablo
                              Tomato puree (water, tomato paste), seasoning (modified tapioca starch, salt, spices, sugar, maltodextrin, garlic powder, onion powder, natural flavors, xanthan gum, disodium inosinate and guanylate, paprika extracts), vinegar, sodium acid sulfate, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate (P). [certified vegan]
                              Border Sauce - Fire
                              Tomato puree (tomato paste, water), jalapeno peppers, vinegar, modified food starch, chili powder, minced onion, onion juice, spices, natural flavors (contains wheat and soy), xanthan gum, salt, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate (P), garlic powder, paprika (VC). Contains: Wheat, Soy [certified vegan]
                              Border Sauce - Hot
                              Tomato puree (water, tomato paste), jalapeno, vinegar, food starch, salt, chili spices, minced onion, sugar, natural flavors, maltodextrin, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate (P), garlic concentrate (contains soy). Contains: Soy [certified vegan]
                              Border Sauce - Mild
                              Tomato puree (tomato paste, water), vinegar, food starch or xanthan gum, salt, chili spices, sugar, natural flavors, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate (P), maltodextrin, garlic concentrate (contains soy). Contains: Soy [certified vegan]
                              Breakfast Salsa
                              Tomato Puree (tomato paste, water), vinegar, garlic and onion powder, modifed food starch, jalapeno peppers, salt, chili pepper, yeast extract, sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate (P), potassium chloride, spices, lactic acid, wheat, soybeans, sugar, natural flavor. Contains: Wheat, Soy [certified vegan]

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @05:54PM

                                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @05:54PM (#751432)

                                Taco Hell: where bad tacos go when they die...

                          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @04:44AM (3 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @04:44AM (#751273)

                            USA is the most evil place on the planet filled with horrible white males and thats why we need to send more immigrants here so we can torture them.

                            Your crazy levels are too high, I recommend a coffee enema followed by Bikram yoga and some cleansing kale smoothies.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @09:46AM (1 child)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @09:46AM (#751339)

                              You sound like the colon specialist. How long have you had your head in other people's asses?

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @07:39PM

                                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @07:39PM (#751456)

                                Oh I got mine out a long time ago, I recommend you try it. Fresh air is good for the brain.

                            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 21 2018, @12:05AM

                              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday October 21 2018, @12:05AM (#751520) Journal

                              There is not enough kale in the world to move the amount of shit that guy's full of. It's not helped by having his head firmly lodged in the way of the only exit, either...

                              --
                              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:26PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:26PM (#751138)

                        Look, you can whine and complain about being a victim

                        Or simply insist that the rule of law is enforced.

                        And how you pointlessly rationalize your inhuman beliefs is really out of my control.

                        Thankfully. Adios [ice.gov] and hasta luego. [ice.gov]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:42PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:42PM (#751046)

                That was an article from a law journal? Could have fooled me, the beginning of that article was something about how good it was that an illegal alien didn't get legally deported.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @08:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 20 2018, @08:18PM (#751466)

      "No way, people moving from place to place of their own will is exactly the same as slavery."

      By that definition just about every American is descended from slaves. I doubt my German immigrant grandparents would have bought into that proposition.

      "But I can't help but think that maybe this user wants a little more of that."

      And I can'tell help but think you are a shrill asswipe.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:38PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @03:38PM (#750964)

    No, I wear your ignorance [medium.com] on my sleeve like a badge of honor.

    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Friday October 19 2018, @04:47PM (5 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @04:47PM (#751009) Journal
      Looks like you got the wrong person's ignorance on your sleeve. Let's actually read your link.

      Corporate supremacists love the pain they inflict on immigrants and locals because it weakens the largest obstacle to their global authoritarianism: workers.

      A steady stream of immigrants means a steady stream of competition for jobs. Workers generate profit for multinational corporations, and the cheaper a company’s labor costs are, the more profit is left over for the corporate supremacists at workers’ expense.

      What the corporate supremacists don’t tell their victims is how hard life can be north of the border. They don’t talk about the permanent temp workers who live in closet-sized apartments despite working long, exhausting hours in warehouses. Some workers don’t even know their employer’s name, so they have no chance of protesting for better working conditions and higher wages. Those protests wouldn’t earn millions of dollars in funding.

      A typical dumbshit fantasizing about imaginary villains and conflicts. Smuggling on any of the US borders has been a thing for almost a century since Prohibition started (and given that's the author is talking about the Mexican border, one can add another century on to that to include such things as Comanche Indian raids). It's no more "corporate" now than it was then. They certainly don't hold to some imaginary doctrine that corporations (whatever that's supposed to be) should somehow be supreme in some aspect of society.

      Boy, I hope you're trolling. Because otherwise life is going to be harder for you just due to those utterly stupid beliefs.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:20PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @05:20PM (#751029)

        Interesting, so how many illegals does khallow have in his closet? Do you have a different slave for every day of the week or do you take Sundays off?

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 19 2018, @05:26PM (3 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @05:26PM (#751036) Journal
          Sounds like you got nothing to say. I rest my case.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:03PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @06:03PM (#751055)

            I rest my case.

            Your case is the objection to corporations being considered the exclusive importer of slave labor and if you'd made it coherently, it would have been conceded. You point about contraband is another argument unless you want to discuss people and narcotics being trafficked over the border and arms being sent back. [wikipedia.org]

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 19 2018, @07:01PM (1 child)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 19 2018, @07:01PM (#751091) Journal

              Your case is the objection to corporations being considered the exclusive importer of slave labor and if you'd made it coherently, it would have been conceded.

              What corporations? Neither the article or you mention a single one. I'm not the only person here with any obligation to make coherent points.

              You point about contraband is another argument unless you want to discuss people and narcotics being trafficked over the border and arms being sent back.

              Given that was what was being discussed in the article (the article mentioned "north of the border"), of course.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:14PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 19 2018, @08:14PM (#751131)

                What corporations? Neither the article or you mention a single one.

                Corporate supremacists love the pain they inflict on immigrants and locals

                I'm not the only person here with any obligation to make coherent points.

                Corporate supremacist confirmed.

                Given that was what was being discussed in the article

                This is a discussion about slavery which includes human trafficking.