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posted by martyb on Monday October 22 2018, @03:04PM   Printer-friendly
from the battery-with-assault? dept.

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New York City Police Department Commissioner James P. O'Neill suspended the use of some bodycam devices "effective immediately" after one of the city's cameras exploded over the weekend.

The NYPD said it was made "aware of a possible product defect" on Saturday when an officer said his Vievu model LE-5 camera caught fire. The officer removed the device before it exploded, and no injuries were reported.

"Last night, an officer retrieved a body-cam for deployment on a midnight tour and noticed there was smoke exiting from the bottom portal and immediately removed it," the NYPD said in a statement. "After it was safely removed, the device exploded."

Investigators said "the incident revealed a potential for the battery inside the camera to ignite," according to the statement.

[...] "Out of an abundance of caution, the Police Commissioner has directed that the continued use and distribution of the LE-5 model cameras be suspended effective immediately," the statement said. "All officers assigned LE-5 cameras were instructed to immediately remove the cameras and bring them back to their commands."

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-police-department-halts-bodycams-explodes/story?id=58658403


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @03:34PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @03:34PM (#752007)

    Out of an abundance of caution ...

    Out of an abundance of caution, the Police repeatedly shot and killed the black man who was tending to his little daughter. Just in case he pulls out a gun. Out of an abundance of caution.

    I find that police everywhere are cowards and will do anything to benefit themselves and will not put themselves in harm's way for any reason.

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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday October 22 2018, @03:36PM (6 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @03:36PM (#752010) Journal

    If an officer fears you might take his life, he is allowed to take your life.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by urza9814 on Monday October 22 2018, @04:50PM (2 children)

      by urza9814 (3954) on Monday October 22 2018, @04:50PM (#752032) Journal

      If you fear the officer might take your life, you're allowed to take his too.

      Good luck getting a court and prosecutor to agree to that though...the problem isn't the text of the law, it's how they're only ever applied against certain people, and how the meaning of words like "reasonable" change depending on the type of uniform being worn by the accused.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday October 22 2018, @07:44PM (1 child)

        by Thexalon (636) on Monday October 22 2018, @07:44PM (#752115)

        the problem isn't the text of the law

        It kinda is: In many states, the standard for ordinary people to use deadly force is that a reasonable person in this situation would believe that they or another person faced a deadly threat, whereas for cops to use deadly force the standard is that that particular cop believed (reasonably or not) that they faced a deadly threat.

        You might notice the problem here: Even if nobody among the cops, prosecutors, and judges are the slightest bit crooked, it's basically impossible to prove in court what somebody believed several months ago when an incident took place. Evidence like "the cop had no reason whatsoever to think the guy he shot was carrying a gun" or "even the cop's partner thought he was in no way justified" are irrelevant to this standard, because the standard is what was going on in the cop's own head.

        If you fear the officer might take your life, you're allowed to take his too. Good luck getting a court and prosecutor to agree to that though.

        There was a fairly recent Supreme Court case where a guy was acquitted of shooting a cop because the cops didn't announce themselves as police so the homeowner thought he was dealing with a gang of armed robbers and responded accordingly. However, some factors in this case that might not always be present included that the cops had screwed up the home invasion in a bunch of other ways legally speaking, the guy who did the shooting was white, and he stopped shooting when the cops announced themselves to be police.

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        • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:48PM

          by sjames (2882) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:48PM (#752524) Journal

          But note, it had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get there while if a cop shoots someone, it rarely gets to court at all.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday October 22 2018, @05:11PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday October 22 2018, @05:11PM (#752042)

      The way some categories of people breathe is clearly a clear and present danger to some officers.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday October 22 2018, @05:14PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @05:14PM (#752043) Journal

        Some officers patrol duty should be restricted to safe spaces where they won't be offended. It's a harsh world out there. Especially in a uniform and marked vehicle.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Monday October 22 2018, @08:06PM

      by sjames (2882) on Monday October 22 2018, @08:06PM (#752133) Journal

      The problem is we seem to have too many cops with a markedly hyperactive fear response. (that is, they've turned chicken) They routinely claim that they were afraid some guy too drunk to stand up was going to smash his bottle of bum wine and in an amazing display of grace and coordination, leap ninja like to close the 20 foot gap and kill them before they could get off a shot, so they had to kill him (an actual incident).

      "Justice" claims the cops had a reasonable fear.

      OTOH, cops bust into the wrong house in the dead of night. Cop busts in bedroom door (even though it wasn't locked) and gets shot by the groggy homeowner. DA decides it was a cold blooded cop killing.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:01PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:01PM (#752062)

    "I find that police everywhere are cowards and will do anything to benefit themselves and will not put themselves in harm's way for any reason."

    Say that to the officer in my family who stormed into a burning building to save to disabled elderly people from a house fire.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:04PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:04PM (#752069)

      Basically, officers are people too. With any sufficiently large group there is going to be good apples and bad apples. There are literally millions of police officers, so of course there is going to be some bad ones, like with any group of human beings. You can't weed them all out, it's impossible. Instead of giving all cops a bad rap how about we realize they are humans, and when we find the bad ones they are brought to justice. That last part is what we really need to work on.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Monday October 22 2018, @06:22PM (3 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @06:22PM (#752077) Journal

        While this is true, the problem is that many departments actively protect the "bad apples", and at least some actively remove the good officers. (See the W.Virginia officer who was fired for trying to talk a man into putting down his gun. IIRC he was succeeding until a different officer shot the guy.)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:28PM (#752082)

          Exactly why I said we need to work on that part.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:52PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @06:52PM (#752094)

          it's even worse than that. the whole system is geared for the "bad apples". ever since the war on drugs started, anyone who volunteers to be a cop is complicit in sedition. in the beginning, most probably didn't realize this. now most of them know they are nothing but armed robbers and slave catchers, but don't care. that's why you are getting more and more bad cops. they used to be good cops who fucked up. now they are bad cops that let it slip out. of course it's still not all of them. some still try to be good cops in a job that is corrupt to it's core. i would only include cops that are brave enough to selectively enforce the law. anyone who tows the line is a piece of shit. it's not just a few bad apples anymore. that's for goddamn sure.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:57PM (#752454)

            I was going to write up a well thought out response, but it's obvious either you are a troll or you have paranoia or other mental issues. Either way you need help.