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At Open Source Summit Europe in Scotland, Linus Torvalds is meeting with Linux's top 40 or so developers at the Maintainers' Summit. This is his first step back in taking over Linux's reins.
A little over a month ago, Torvalds stepped back from running the Linux development community. In a note to the Linux Kernel Mailing List (LKML), Torvalds said, "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely. I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."
That time is over. Torvalds is back.
He's a quick study if it only took him a month to learn how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately.
See also: Linus Torvalds is back at Linux while GNU's Stallman unveils a "kindness" policy
Previously: Linus Torvalds Taking a Break From Linux Kernel Maintainership
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Eric S. Raymond Speaks in Regards to the Linux Code of Conduct [Updated]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @07:58PM (27 children)
I fully understand your worries but do not agree with them. Please, list all the projects you've seen get taken over and include links if you can, I am a fan of evidence and have simply not seen anything so far that makes CoCs so dangerous.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:06PM (17 children)
Why does something spread when it has no obvious benefit?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:56PM (16 children)
You assume that it's meant to benefit free software or to benefit an identity group (such as women). Demonstrably, they fail at improving free software. They also fail at getting the female (or which ever identity group) programmers to precipitate out of the æther.
Look at it a bit differently. If you were somebody with some experience with COINTELPRO operations and you wanted to insert some nasty code into key software projects that are otherwise inaccessible due to being outside of corporate control...? Perhaps there is a benefit to be found here for the Five Eyes. Fortunately, there is also a glut of useful idiots in the petty bourgeoisie with more ego than ability to code.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:12PM (15 children)
I see, so no useful information just more tinfoil paranoia. Your argument is similar to VIM dude, so how reasonable does "we shouldn't have government because that makes it possible for a small group of people to pass laws that restrict my freedom." So sure, yeah that is possible and does happen, but anarchy is a much worse system. Personally I like laws against murder and theft.
Now back to your paranoia, you do realize that it wouldn't be very hard for intelligence agencies to compromise a FOSS project if they wanted to? CoC is not necessary to do that. Also, it is more likely they would try and target someone individually and intercept their traffic to serve them compromised code. Aside from all of that, it would be quite easy to not get torpedoed by a CoC by simply abiding by the terms. Not a very effective method to take over something.
So again, link to some actual stories where you believe the CoC was used to subvert a project.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:20PM (14 children)
Also, last I checked, lots of people were thieving and murdering despite your beloved laws against theft and murder.
I'm not saying I agree with Mr. VIM, but your comment here makes your position look really weak.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @11:37PM (13 children)
No it doesn't, you have simply made up your mind already that CoCs are the antichrist. Without some type of rules to refer to it is impossible to manage a group.
Your assertion that bad things happen anyway is what makes your argument incredibly weak. So better to do nothing huh?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:09AM (1 child)
I've read Mr. VIM's ideas (who the fuck hasn't by now?), and that's not at all what he/she/they/xe is saying.
It's incredible that this is what you think Mr. VIM's position is. You're either lying or a dummy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:52AM
He doesn't get it, yet. He will.
(Score: 1) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:34AM (8 children)
Group think good. Orange man bad.
(Score: 3, Funny) by HiThere on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:47AM
Well, I can agree with "Orange man bad". William was really destructive to Ireland.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Touché) by NPC-131073 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:12AM (6 children)
Orange man good.
Unemployment is at a 16 year low.
No more taxes on corporations.
You have TDS.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Pav on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:25AM (5 children)
Great... The orange man has started a Monopoly game.
Monopoly was a game originally designed to show what happens with a low tax and low regulation (against monopolies etc...) environment. If people hadn't worked this out from the recent examples (ie. the great depression, and the long depression before that) the game would ALWAYS demonstrate inherent instability. Basically you get snowballing wealth and excitement (for some players) like the roaring 20's, and the "winner" of the game is just the last person to realise the economy has collapsed.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:42AM (4 children)
At the start of the game, you are sleeping on dirt roads. By the end of the game, you are living in luxurious hotels. I guess you're always free to go back to sleeping in the dirt.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by fritsd on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:20AM (3 children)
FTFY.
It *could* be you who wins.
Then again, it *could* also be one of the other 7 billion who wins, with you sleeping on dirt roads. What are the odds???? mm.. complicated..
The winner will always claim it's due to the winner's skill that he/she won.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:48PM
I used to play with my neighbor's kids. I'm undefeated and won about 40 games in a row, I'm just lucky like that.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @03:07PM (1 child)
Then you didn't understand the parents. If there's nobody left but you on the board, who's going stay in all your hotels? Where will you get continuing rent moneys from? The last player standing has nothing because he has nobody left to offer it to.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @07:08PM
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(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:50PM (1 child)
If the group can't hold together without the CoC, then how did it last 27 years so far?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:06PM
Without any real group management except Linus screaming at people.
Dysfunctional families still survive but they aren't great for the kid's wellbeing.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @11:09PM (8 children)
I fully understand you and the guy who modded you insightful have been abducted by aliens and just returned to this planet but I'll just let you know about an obscure project called debian
2014 CoC adopted
2015 Jessie out with systemd as the only practical option, stops de facto being the universal operating system.
I'd link this project to you, but I fear it will soon be renamed DebJanet, so that same sex couples don't feel left out.
Seriously, fuck this sh!t. If somebody maintains chauvinist retrograde paternalistic toxic forks point me to it so I can stay free of the Politically Correct fascism.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @11:39PM (7 children)
Systemd had nothing to do with a code of conduct, the crazy levels in this thread are too damn high!
I give up, you conservatives are just too fucking dumb and crazy.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:53AM (4 children)
I've never understood what advantage systemd was supposed to have, but in Debian's case I think it was probably to be able to use the same software as Red Hat. But it's also true that it was forced through really quickly, and I've never seen it reasonably justified. So I suspect that there's SOME sneaky thing about it. Perhaps it was really pushed sub-rosa by the NSA. Perhaps pothering developed a mind control ray. -- something
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:07AM (3 children)
Same here, but systemd was not pushed through using some CoC "backdoor". It was pushed through the front door as nearly everyone sat there screaming. So I still don't buy the hysteria around the CoC like it is going to subvert the actual software.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @07:57AM
CoC is the fever after you have suffered a violent anal rape. If you project is adopting CoC, it is already too late.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @09:32AM (1 child)
1. Infiltrate $target_group
2. Get $target_group to accept innocuous looking CoC
3. Threaten $key_members of $target_group with exposure of their little peccadillos which run afoul of the CoC
4. Gain Puppetmaster control of $target_group through $key_members
5. Profit.
The game is to establish potential control mechanisms, and we're not talking about dealing with the Boy Scouts here, or are you all still thinking that the people behind these CoCs are the muppetoids that visibly and noisily espouse them?
Do you really think the sort of muppetoid that bleats about CoCs being necessary in coding projects actually cares about either coding or the project?, they're just the risibly obvious little wind-up infective agents, keys wound tight then let loose, infecting and weakening the system...any system, they don't care.
Why yes, my hat is most assuredly tin-foiley and shiny..double lined for reasons I'd love to tell you all about, but which might bother the DSMA a bit..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:13PM
I read the thing. You are a crazy nerd raging fool. Most/all of the board AND Linus agreed the CoC was a good move. They even amended some of the vague phrasing.
I reviewed some of the controversies and what i saw were asdholes wanting to not be called out for being assholes. Cry me a river, this is like all the bigots crying hard about being called racist and imagining that "the left" is coming to get them. Go be crazy somewhere else, or at least gather some evidence if you wanna cry foul.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @08:21AM
Oh no, you don't give up. What you did is actually smarten up.
Bit is not a conservative, bot is a troll. What the internet-old wisdom says you don't do with trolls?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday October 25 2018, @09:15PM
I am not saying systemd caused the CoC, or that the CoC caused systemd. I am saying that debian adopted the coc and went to shit in 12 months, symptom, or better, proof, the too early adoption of systemd as the exclusive init system in obvious contrast with the motto of the project itself and without a solid majority to back it up.
In my personal model of the world, it's apparent that both coc and systemd are the spawn of satan but I am not pushing this vision on others when simple logic suffices.
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