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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:06PM   Printer-friendly
from the Privacy-Envy dept.

In the wake of recent changes to NZ law to allow the NZ government to demand traveller's pass codes to their devices when they cross NZ borders, the Australian government is stepping up its plan to snoop on user communications by introducing a systematic weakness or vulnerability to products and systems including ISPs. While being very loose on details and unclear exactly how this would work the so called 'decryption bill' while claiming that "The protections provided in this bill are actually greater than what presently exists in the physical world.” Meanwhile, not one single person has provided concrete information about the practical real world implications of this bill.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:08PM (25 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:08PM (#753238)

    In case you haven't noticed yet, the pecking order is this:

        United States > UK > Canada > Australia > New Zealand

    The NWO tries its authoritarian rubbish first on the lowest order of Anglo-Saxon culture, and then slowly tries to move it up toward the highest order, altering the plan as new problems arise.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:18PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:18PM (#753241)

    In the old days, there was no theory of behavior that governments tried to impose on society. Rather, everybody just waited around for a problem to arise, and then that one, particular, exact, specific, precise case would be tried (it's in the name, folks: "tried") and thereby be adjudicated. This formed case law, and the collection of cases formed the common law of the land.

    After a while, related cases would involve divergent adjudication, so a learned body of scholars known as legislators would standardize existing practice (you know, that's what "standardization" used to mean: Clarify and regularize EXISTING practice). In so doing, Anglo-Saxon government was both evolutionary and conservative, having society lead government, rather than having government try (and always fail) to lead society.

    That's why the devastating revolutions of mainland Europe never hit the UK. But, that's all changing now. Common Law is giving way to Civil Law, where paper-pushing bureaucrats try to play the inherently impossible role of "Intelligent Designer".

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:47PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:47PM (#753258)

      You can't try a case unless you have a law to accuse the person of breaking.
      The bypass, the old way that did bind it together, was the influence of $church and their ability to interpret $scripture to say you were guilty of something.

      And what is $scripture, if not a bunch of people agreeing to write down the social contract, as directed by $power ?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:56PM (#753265)

        Judges make law in Common Law, and they cover their asses by pointing the finger at as much precedent as possible.

        You're speaking about mainland Europe's Civil Law, which hails from the Roman era, not Anglo-Saxon Common Law.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:29AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:29AM (#753410)

      I guess you missed the actual revolutions that did occur. The Glorious Revolution, for example.

      If you mean peasants' rebellions, what about Wat Tyler?

      There was a lot that went on there.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:02AM (#753428)

        Nothing has ever changed radically, because the system has been that fucking good.

        Which Revolutionary Government are the French now operating under? And, let's forget the fact that they basically adopted an Anglo-Saxon framework, sans Common Law.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:40PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:40PM (#753253)

    And this is why some of us will NEVER give up our weapons.

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:58PM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:58PM (#753268) Journal

      Just leave them behind if you come to visit.
      https://www.export.gov/article%3Fid%3DAustralia-Prohibited-Restricted-Imports [export.gov]

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    • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:21PM

      by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:21PM (#753328) Homepage Journal

      And this is why some of us will NEVER give up our weapons.

      From my cold dead hands.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:15PM (#753622)

      I never had any to begin with.
      Well. Except for the range of potential weapons available at any hardware store.
      A sword. A cheap ass katana that only looks good on a wall. A couple of smaller blades not worth of anything beyond giving someone tetanus.
      Let's face it, if the world goes to kack I'll be heading out there with a cheap ass kitchen knife set looking to upgrade ASAP.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:47PM (10 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:47PM (#753259) Journal

    I know New Zealand had the whole Kim Dotcom thing, but is Australia really better than NZ?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:59PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:59PM (#753269)

      Nobody even knew New Zealand existed until Lord of the Rings came out.

      That's why they filmed it there; the landscape was alien to most people.

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:17PM (5 children)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:17PM (#753281) Journal

        Sure, but Australia is the land of criminals, shitty NBN, c0lo, and deadly creatures.

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        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:42PM

          by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:42PM (#753297) Journal

          Not sure about the order of those things..

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:27PM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:27PM (#753379) Journal

          Deadly creatures would suffice, no need of a special mention for c0lo.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:45AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:45AM (#753420)

            You stole my thunder. Was just about to post that "c0lo, and deadly creatures" was redundant.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:03AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:03AM (#753430) Journal

              See also the Deadlys [wikipedia.org] - not gonna get one of those, tho'.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:18PM (#753626)

            The drop bears are easy to avoid.
            The range of deadly snakes? Not so much.
            Yes, kangaroos will fight back. Bring a gun.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:27PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:27PM (#753286)

        Nobody even knew New Zealand existed until Lord of the Rings came out.

        And that was how we liked it.

        Now the place is full of tourists upsetting our hobbits and leaving rings lying about all over the place. It's getting so bad some of our volcanoes are nearly full.

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:35PM (#753293)

        Nobody even knew New Zealand existed until Lord of the Rings came out.

        That's why they filmed it there...

        Not all of it, they had to film the Shelob's lair live action scenes in in Australia (the cost of CGI Shelob were just too high).

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:43AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:43AM (#753419) Journal

        I was told the landscape is alien to New Zealanders too.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:15PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:15PM (#753322)

    You couldn't be more wrong. UK is still on top. UK has always been on top. US is just muscle. But the brain is UK.

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:57PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:57PM (#753359)

      I needed a good laugh.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:02PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:02PM (#753361)

        You serve your masters well. You are to be commended. The state is proud of you.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:55PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:55PM (#753760)

          and your monarchy is owned by the rothchilds.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:17PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:17PM (#753771)

            Could very well be. Hardly matters, as long as the checks don't bounce