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posted by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the hate-machine dept.

Three Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN Offices

Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN's offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.

[...] The device sent to CNN was contained in a manila envelope addressed to John Brennan, who was the C.I.A. director in the Obama administration and is a harsh critic of Mr. Trump. The president revoked Mr. Brennan's security clearance in what was seen as an act of retribution. The return address bore the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman who formerly headed the Democratic National Committee.

In a statement, the White House condemned "the attempted violent attacks."

Update 1: The explosive devices have been described as pipe bombs. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says that a device was also sent to his office.

Update 2:

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's spokesman has identified the device sent to his office, originally believed to be suspicious, as a thumb drive containing files on the far right group Proud Boys. It does not appear to be related to the explosive devices.

[...] Another suspicious package has been intercepted at a Congressional mail screening facility in Capitol Heights, Maryland, according to CNN. [...] ABC News reported the package was addressed to Rep. Maxine Waters, a California Democrat.

Live updates at The Guardian.


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:28PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:28PM (#753067)

    This is why we need a Strong Leader like Trump, to protect weak Democrats. Your welcome, Dems.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by bob_super on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:11PM (21 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:11PM (#753112)

    > arrest all Muslims

    Actually, it is a nice reminder that homegrown terrorists have always, but for one exception, been a bigger threat than foreign brown/religious invaders.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:02PM (1 child)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:02PM (#753271) Homepage Journal

      I'll tell you, the exception is bigger than the everything else. Although, I happen to think that one wasn't just the Muslims. Obviously it was the Muslims. But, I think they had some help on that one.

      This was an unbelievably powerful building. If you know anything about structure it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside. The steel. The reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows you had the steel on the outside, so you had steel on the outside of the building. That's why when I first look -- and you had big heavy I-beams -- when I first looked at it I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel. And this is steel that was, you remember the the width of the windows of the World Trade Center. Folks, I think you know if you were ever up there. They were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said how could a plane, even a plane, even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been -- how could it possibly go through this steel? I happen to think that they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously because I just can't imagine anything being able to go through that wall. Both buildings are built with the steel on the inside around the elevator shaft this one was built from the outside which is the strongest structure you can have. And it was almost just like a can of soup!

      And, what about Building 7? No plane for that one. But it went down. Not right away. It stood until what, 5 p.m., right? But when it went down, it went down so fast. Like the cheapest hooker you've seen in your entire life.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:08PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:08PM (#753367) Homepage Journal

        (cont) Building 7 went down faster than Colin Kaepernick goes down for our beautiful National Anthem. And we lost a lot of people that day. Almost 3,000 people dieing (RIP!!!). While thousands celebrated. And while Bush Jr. read about Goats. A book about Goats. You didn't have Donald J. Trump as your President. Very sad!

        This one, fortunately we didn't lose anybody. Maybe some hurt feelings, right? But by the way, this one is Muslim. Because ISIS is Muslim. And, this one is ISIS. They did the ISIS Flag, the sticker of ISIS Flag. On the Fake bomb at Fake News @CNN [twitter.com]. I'll tell you, we haven't forgotten ISIS. We've been moving very strongly on ISIS. And we've absolutely obliterated ISIS. We blew up their capital, wiped out their capital. Raqqa. Something nobody thought we could ever do. We totally rocked that one. Back to the Stone Age. And we're very close to ERADICATING #IslamicState [twitter.com]!!

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:23PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:23PM (#753331)

      Most common is the child of a Muslim immigrant. They don't fit in, then at some point they go all-in on the death cult and start killing.

      It is completely misleading to dismiss these people as "homegrown terrorists", with the implication that they are probably white Christians who love Trump.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:05AM (4 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:05AM (#753390)

        Most common is the child of a Muslim immigrant*

        *Citation Required.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:42AM (#753418)

          People like the Boston marathon bombers become "homegrown terrorists" due to citizenship, but any fool knows better. These are not what we think of as Americans. They are typical Muslim terrorists.

          Other popular classes of terrorist are "leftist" (shot Scalise, broke Rand Paul's ribs, Antifa mobs) and "converted to Islam in prison" (shoe bomber).

          We know damn well what you are implying by "homegrown terrorist". It's a Trump supporter, obviously a straight white male (because you can't comprehend any other kind of Trump supporter), motivated by Christianity and other forms of hateful wrongthink.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:40PM (2 children)

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:40PM (#753641) Homepage Journal

          Orlando. The gay nightclub in Orlando. Otherwise known as the home of Disney World. Muslim-American guy did that one. Born on Long Island just like me. But, Muslim -- big difference. And it's what, like 50 people dieing in that one, right? RIP!!!

          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:15PM (1 child)

            by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:15PM (#753700)

            Las Vegas.
            See ? I cherry-picked a big one too ! Mine's bigger than yours, and doesn't fit your narrative.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:56AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:56AM (#753424) Journal

        Most common is the child of a Muslim immigrant. right-wing extremism

        As of Oct 24 2018, the above holds true [qz.com].

        ...defines “right-wing extremism” as “violence in support of the belief that personal and/or national way of life is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent,” including anti-globalism, white supremacy, nationalism, suspicion of the government, and beliefs in conspiracies.

        An analysis by Quartz of the same Global Terrorism Database [umd.edu] confirmed that the trend persisted in 2017, when most attacks in the US were committed by right-wing extremists. Out of 65 incidents last year, 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.
        ...

        In the same period, seven attacks were linked to Islamic extremists, and 11 attacks were inspired by left-leaning ideologies.

        That right-wing activity is fueling a surge in terrorism in the US. Overall, the US had only six attacks a decade ago, but 65 in 2017. The number of fatalities is also increasing, in contrast to a global decrease in terror attacks.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:43PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:43PM (#753642) Homepage Journal

      You're supposedly looking at, what's biggest. But you leave off the VERY VERY BIGGEST one. The biggest by far. Very dumb!!!

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:13PM (10 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:13PM (#753655) Journal

      Actually, it is a nice reminder that homegrown terrorists have always, but for one exception, been a bigger threat than foreign brown/religious invaders.

      When you include the exception (the four 911 attacks), it goes the other way, of course.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:20PM (5 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:20PM (#753705) Journal

        No. The exception was Britain, which around 1812 burned the White House, and had nearly (a bit of a guess here) 1/5 of the population in sympathy or active support. (A couple of decades earlier is was about 1/3 of the population, but I'm guessing that the support had decreased.)

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:55PM (4 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:55PM (#753929) Journal

          but I'm guessing that the support had decreased

          I'd say such support dropped by an order of magnitude when the war was lost (both to Tories leaving/fleeing the US and due to former Tories acclimating to the new situation) and then was further diluted by immigration.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday October 26 2018, @04:05PM (3 children)

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 26 2018, @04:05PM (#754134) Journal

            Even so, there would have been a huge number of armed supporters of the British.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:16AM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @01:16AM (#754574) Journal
              A few percent versus the claimed third.
              • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:57PM (1 child)

                by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday October 28 2018, @03:57PM (#754686) Journal

                The 1/3 was the claim for during the revolutionary war. It was probably correct, though it doesn't measure the degree of commitment. Most people are always in favor of the status quo, and a large number will always be in favor of the imagined older status. (Actually, I should have said imagined status quo, as inevitably people have a very skewed idea of the current state of affairs.)

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 30 2018, @11:31AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 30 2018, @11:31AM (#755577) Journal
                  The War of 1812 was from a generation later than the Revolutionary War with vastly less support for the British. There were no notable acts of home-grown terrorism in support of the British from that time despite the war being very unpopular in the US.
      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:38PM (3 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:38PM (#753719)

        That's the way stats are supposed to work.
        You recognize the existence of the big discontinuity in your data, treat it as as important or a fluke as it deserves, but then crunch the numbers to get real short/mid/long trends without the bias and std_dev caused by the big blip.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:47PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:47PM (#753923) Journal

          treat it as as important

          Ok, why wasn't that treated as important?

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Friday October 26 2018, @12:34AM (1 child)

            by bob_super (1357) on Friday October 26 2018, @12:34AM (#753941)

            It's only cost you most of your freedoms, that should qualify as important enough.

            Yet, the obsession about a single huge event (including the president lying about middle-east terrorists infiltrating the incoming group of asylum seekers) is hiding the statistical reality that them goatfuckers still lag far behind proud Americans in the business of terrorizing and killing Americans.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 26 2018, @01:10AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 26 2018, @01:10AM (#753955) Journal

              It's only cost you most of your freedoms, that should qualify as important enough.

              You are missing the point. 911 attacks were at a far more damaging level than any other terrorist attack done in US history. And the parties responsible for the attacks have done little to the US since despite having considerable resources at the time of the 911 attacks.

              Yet, the obsession about a single huge event (including the president lying about middle-east terrorists infiltrating the incoming group of asylum seekers) is hiding the statistical reality that them goatfuckers still lag far behind proud Americans in the business of terrorizing and killing Americans.

              Patently false. After all, "goatfuckers" did the 911 attacks not the local talent which has yet to do anything approaching that in planning, logistics, or manpower.

              The problem here is not that there is an extreme event, but rather that there wasn't more such events. One interpretation, which you employ, is that this means that somehow the one extreme event can be safely ignored, despite the presence of a network capable of generating further such attacks. What is missed is that the US changed its anti-terrorism strategy and tactics in response to 911. I think that's a glaring sign that something worked very well in preventing those further 911-like attacks.

              My view is that a large portion of humanity cares more about security than freedom. Ignoring what works to make people more secure in reality can be a fatal weakness for pro-freedom advocates. Hidden in the midst of all this security theater were some approaches that actually worked.

              Finally, it's silly to observe that 911 "cost you most of your freedoms" and then pump up the terrorist paranoia about local terrorists. That "cost you most of your freedoms" too. Choosing native bogeymen instead of foreign ones isn't going to be easier on freedom.