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Three Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN Offices
Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN's offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.
A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.
[...] The device sent to CNN was contained in a manila envelope addressed to John Brennan, who was the C.I.A. director in the Obama administration and is a harsh critic of Mr. Trump. The president revoked Mr. Brennan's security clearance in what was seen as an act of retribution. The return address bore the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman who formerly headed the Democratic National Committee.
In a statement, the White House condemned "the attempted violent attacks."
Update 1: The explosive devices have been described as pipe bombs. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says that a device was also sent to his office.
Update 2:
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's spokesman has identified the device sent to his office, originally believed to be suspicious, as a thumb drive containing files on the far right group Proud Boys. It does not appear to be related to the explosive devices.
[...] Another suspicious package has been intercepted at a Congressional mail screening facility in Capitol Heights, Maryland, according to CNN. [...] ABC News reported the package was addressed to Rep. Maxine Waters, a California Democrat.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:33PM (76 children)
https://abcnews.go.com/US/billionaire-philanthropist-george-soros-home-explosive-device-found/story?id=58683450 [go.com]
The shit hasn't hit the fan yet - but it's getting dangerously close.
The world would be a much better place is a couple dozen "leading" D's just had strokes and died. Hey - don't get upset and defensive. I'll let you have a couple dozen from the R side of the aisle. I won't miss them either!!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:44PM (59 children)
I should probably be a little more clear about the couple dozen "leaders" on the R side. Take the Cock brothers, please. Both of them. They'll balance out Soros. People with far more money than brains, meddling in the affairs of real people, with real life concerns.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:21PM (3 children)
This socialist agrees with you. Well, perhaps I would rather not kill them. It would be more amusing to lock them up for life and let them watch the world go on without their egos. (Yes, the Clintons will be among those we should lock up. We'll lock up the Bushes right next to them. Maybe put them in the same cell block as their good friends, the House of Saud.)
We need to expropriate the wealth of the ruling class, which was created by the working class, and put it under democratic control so that the working class--"real people" as you put it--can address their very real concerns. These are the concerns that affect the vast majority of people, maybe 90% of the population in the USA, across racial and ethnic boundaries.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday October 24 2018, @07:03PM (1 child)
Deserted island, 200 yds of monofilament, thee fish hooks, two 5-gallon buckets, four foil blankets, 500 ft of paracord, two Bic lighters, a simple mess kit with spork, a hatchet, a hunting knife, and a multi-tool.
Last person standing gets paroled ^w weekly supply drops.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @07:17PM
Don't forget a bone saw.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:33PM
That's an overly simplistic analysis. It's true that nothing would have been done without the workers, but it's also true that nothing would have been done without the managers...or rather nothing requiring organization of more than a very small group of people. Even groups of 5 tend to have a manager. The problem is that the managers are allowed (or given sufficient leverage) to set their own recompense rather than having it be independently determined. Inherited wealth creates further problems...but can you think of an ethical way to avoid them?
An additional problem is that the managers, as with all specialists, tend to think of their job as the most important one, and themselves, because they occupy it, as more important than other people. And they have the leverage to get their way. They tend to consider it quite proper to ignore the opinions of those without power and leverage. This is normal human behavior, and I've seen it in everyone from card sharps to programmers, but most don't have the power and leverage that is available to managers and inherited wealth.
Solutions, short of Friendly AI, aren't obvious, but certain changes would be obviously beneficial. Unfortunately, precisely those changes would disadvantage those with the most power and leverage.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by dublet on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:24PM (17 children)
Whereas you don't seem to have much of either.
I don't know if it's whether I'm noticing it more or if it's become more prevalent on SN but there seems to be more and more outrageous conspiracy nonsense. Often it's based in antisemitism, nationalism and racism too. It's gotten tiring enough for me to cancel my subscription as I have no interest in contributing financially towards a platform that seems at best to be ambivalent towards people expressing such provably ridiculous views.
"If anyone needs me, I'm in the angry dome. [dublet.org]"
(Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:29PM (2 children)
Provably ridiculous? Well - prove it then.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:42PM
Poor Runaway! An American of very little brain. But at least now the FBI is tracking him.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by crafoo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:03PM
Why is this modded troll? He said it's provable. Well then, prove it. I'd like to see that tap dance.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:56PM (7 children)
Understand that I agree with you, when he says shit like the above "asshat" is the kindest thing I would call Runaway.
But by the same coin, I am here precisely because this site isn't interested in censoring ANY views.
You are welcome to leave and never darken our door again, but I think that this is a cruicially important point, censorship won't fix anything at all. And censoring repugnant ideas would be the thing that would drive me personally from this place. Not because I agree or disagree with the ideas censored, but because I am so terribly against censorship itself. And that seems to be the overall tone of this site.
You are welcome to call people on their shit, they won't censor you either, and I might just get a chuckle from the exchange.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:09PM (4 children)
Violence is seductive because it can seem like such an easy and fast solution to problems. Charge in and shoot the bad guys, rescue the damsels in distress, and live happily ever after. That's stock pulp fiction, and it's everywhere in our society.
But of course the world is a much more complicated and messy place. You may have misunderstood the problems, you don't know a lot of details, and you were too credulous and believed too much in the melodramatic presentations our media likes to give. And then, with our obsession with individualism, it's so tempting to think that the removal of a few key people will somehow fix whatever seems to be wrong.
Members of the Party of Lincoln might want to consider that their founder was assassinated, and that his death did not miraculously revive the Confederacy. If anything, it only made things worse for the South.
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:25PM (3 children)
I suspect you weren't trying to respond to me with that...
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:28AM (2 children)
Trying to add to what you said, and had to cut it short. So it came out disconnected, sorry.
Anyway, I don't mind Runaway. I don't agree with many of the things he says, but that's okay. Asshat, you say? Name calling is at least not physical violence, but neither is it usually helpful.
The big danger I see, as exemplified by his offer to accept the deaths of a few Republican leaders in exchange for a few Democratic leaders he'd like to see bumped off, is the slide towards violence. Offing a few leaders won't work. For one thing they aren't really leaders, they're more like "top surfers", riding a wave. Their influence over the direction a wave goes is much less than most people grasp. Demagogues seek out the most easily swayed people (Trump has said that he loves stupid people), and have considerably more influence over a movement than average, and can get away with a lot more lying and cheating, but they too are still riders, and must pander to their base and conform to all kinds of expectations. There's all kinds of things Trump cannot do without being called a RINO or a libtard or worse.
Had the July 20 plot to kill Hitler succeeded, it may not have made as big a difference as the plotters hoped. They wanted to negotiate an end to the war, but with Germany still in possession of some land that had been taken in the war, weren't willing to accept the pre-WWII boundaries.
In the US Civil War, there is really no one in the South or North whose assassination would have made a big difference. What if Lincoln had been assassinated in 1862? Or Jefferson Davis? Or the leading generals, Grant or Lee? Some details would differ of course, but the overall war would have almost certainly ended the same way. Other talented people would have emerged. But the overall social wave is so powerful that even hundreds of thousand of deaths, wholesale destruction of their infrastructure and loss of property and wealth, and losing the war, let alone mere objective scientific findings and facts, weren't enough blows to convince the South they were wrong, it only convinced them that they couldn't win by fighting. They spent the next century wallowing in victimhood and denial (the whole Lost Cause thing) and being a little sneakier and more underhanded and dishonest in promoting their racist ideology (Jim Crow laws), but over the years, it's been ever so slowly beaten back. To be sure, since the elections of 2016, we've taken a step backwards, but I think this reactionary wave is going to be short lived.
What it will take to convince most everyone, really convince them, that violence is ineffective, I don't know. Maybe it can't be done. But there is hope. I would never have guessed that getting rid of leaded gasoline, as well as lead paint and lead plumbing, would have such an enormous effect. Violent crime has really declined, and much credit for that can be pinned on the reduction of lead in our lives. We can expect further declines as new generations come of age. They were never exposed to lead in the quantities those of us now in our 40s and older experienced.
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:27PM
I didn't respond to Runaway directly for a reason, I don't think anything I could say would help him, don't feel like I need to address his per se ridiculous idea to an audience, and I have no desire to engage him directly. Which is why I was confused by your response about violence to my refutation of a call for censorship.
I called him names as a demonstration that he wasn't even worth engaging seriously, I didn't even take the time to come up with a witty insult, I went as generic as possible. That isn't something I do often, and I didn't do it in the hopes of hurting Runaway, I did it to display that a counterpoint, however valueless, isn't in danger of censorship here either. Perhaps I didn't chose the most elegant or effective way of doing that, as evidenced by the fact I find myself having to explain, ohh well, I tried.
I did respond to Dublet, who was upset that we aren't censoring unpopular opinions. I am much more worried about people getting pissy and starting a row calling for censorship on our tiny little site than I am about trading assassinations with a troll on the internet. It is true we seem to be very clear on the censorship issue, but I have seen that change before, and I would rather not lose this place.
I agree that violence is ineffective, but I also don't think that responding logically to people with violent ideas is "particularly helpful" either. You do as you see fit, I hope from the bottom of my shallow little soul that it works, I am rooting for you.
I agree that taking the lead out of gas has been a huge win, but pinning credit for crime rates on it seems hard to justify. Unless you have some data showing violent criminals have statistically significant blood lead levels or something up your sleeve, I am not going to give it much credence, though if you do you should share that shit it would be a good read. I could argue very similarly that Roe v Wade was responsible, or (my pet theory) that Mr. Rogers was.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 26 2018, @01:35AM
Great post - sorry I've missed it until now. Naturally, I disagree with some of what you say. An assassination possibly does change history.
Let's consider Grant. He was part of a "dynamic duo". Neither Grant nor Sherman were really super, but as a team, they wreaked havoc on the South. Before Grant, the Grand Old Army changed commanding generals like most people change socks or underwear. It was one incompetent leader after another. When Grant and Sherman were given the go ahead, the end result became almost inevitable. Had they been appointed to their respective positions at the beginning of the war, it may well have been a two year war, instead of what we know happened.
Hitler? You seem to dismiss his charisma. So very much of what happened before and during the war depended on that charisma. It's almost certainly safe to go with your points, but only up to a point. The Germans were certainly going to revolt against an untenable situation, with or without Hitler. But, without Hitler's influence, that revolt would probably have been very different from our history. Try to imagine WW2 WITHOUT the Jewish genocide, or killing off all the other groups that Hitler considered to be subhuman. I know, it's really hard to separate that racial hatred out, and hard to imagine how things "might have been". But, try it. Without that racial hatred, the Germans would have feared defeat a lot less, and they might have accepted a surrender. Maybe.
Individuals matter. Some individuals matter a lot more than others. In the case of Soros and the Koch brothers, they matter so much because they can channel huge amounts of money into undermining the will of the people. Without their mountains of money, they wouldn't matter any more than any other communist, or white supremacist. Removing their monetary influence wouldn't remove either communism or white supremacy, but it would remove a lot of influence.
People matter - a lot.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:43PM (1 child)
Reasonable, but I *do* wish that the ability to filter out posts were more nuanced. Still, that has the problem of enhancing "filter bubbles", where you don't even hear opinions you don't agree with. There's no way to just filter out stupid.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:16PM
It's good to see (at least some of) the stupid. Unseen stupid cannot be corrected. It's not as fun when it's your turn in the stupid barrel (And it will be. You can't avoid it except by remaining silent.) but if you take care to learn the lesson it's worth it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:02AM
Well, I don't know where you're going to find what you're looking for these days. Here at least you can give as good as you get, and have a fair shot at being heard.
SN is 31 flavors of crazy, curdled, and off, but I love it. Which of the flavors is crazy, which curdled, and which off is left as an exercise for the reader.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:36AM (2 children)
You memory is failing you. [soylentnews.org] Surely I am not the only one who is seeing parallels between kuroshin and SN.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:23PM (1 child)
You still have a chance to reply to all the advice and criticism that was raised in your journal.
Nowadays you can turn the politics nexus off (this one is filed under Breaking News and Politics).
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(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday October 27 2018, @11:06PM
Oh I agree to most of the advice and criticism. I would respond to all the comments, but I don't like my comments making up majority of the content as it means the topic is close to m heart and I am likely to get emotional and nothing is worth that.
Now please excuse me I have a dengue infection to attend.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:17PM (1 child)
A couple years ago, Room 641A [wikipedia.org] was "outrageous conspiracy nonsense". Personally, at this point I'd prefer an uncensored discussion so I can decide for myself. If I can prove it wrong so easily, then I'll ignore it...but you seem to be asking to have someone else make that decision for me, which frankly I find inexcusable. If you're so eager for someone else to make those decisions for you then there's plenty of other websites which will gladly provide that service.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:46PM
I think you mean "around a decade ago", but that doesn't invalidate your point. It's one that SF authors have frequently bemoaned, i.e. you write a story warning against some hideous possibility and most people ignore it, but some bastard thinks it's an instruction manual.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:54PM (31 children)
Are you going to deal with this: by NPC-131072 (7144) on Wednesday October 24, @05:15PM (#753118)
Clearly a bad faith troll at the very least. Likely a paid troll, dropping disqus like quips and spam all over the place.
Do you plan on allowing soylent news to turn into disqus?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:58PM (8 children)
1. Who the fuck are you talking to, exactly?
2. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/npc-wojak [knowyourmeme.com]
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(Score: 1, Funny) by NPC-131072 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:10PM
That was NPC-131073 (7147) posting anon, clearly a Russian bot pushing right wing nutjobbery.
#Resist
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:08PM (6 children)
I know what the meme is.
So we're going to let people create accounts specifically for the purpose of spamming memes?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:18PM
An account is just a name and a login. Anyone can make one. What someone actually does with an account is subject to the moderation system.
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(Score: 4, Funny) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:47PM (4 children)
The irony of the day is officially an AC bitching about registering in order to spam memes.
AC, you didn't create an account and still get to waste our time. Why is it more heinous if you create an account to do it with?
(Score: 2, Informative) by crafoo on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:04PM
logic hard. orange man bad. grrrrr.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:14PM (2 children)
You should know better by now than to try logic on idiots. It almost never works.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:31PM (1 child)
If anything I was enjoying my first real belly laugh of the day, and wanted to make sure the kids in the back of the class got to enjoy it too.
Don't worry, I won't read too much into the fact that you are trying to apply logic to me despite your own advice.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:16AM
That wasn't logic, it was wisdom that anyone over the age of majority should have acquired long since. This, however, is a slightly veiled insult.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:59PM
Feel free to mod him troll.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:07PM (17 children)
Nope - I'm not going to deal with NPC-whateverthefuck. Soylent cannot turn into disqus for multiple reasons. Among those reasons, we don't pay our staff. We just work them to death, then toss their bodies aside to make room for new staff.
Any other questions?
(Score: 3, Funny) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:26PM (6 children)
What's done with the discarded bodies? Can we bid on them?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:44PM
I never thought of that. Bid twenty or thirty bucks on a cadaver - for what? Dog food? Unless - have you ever been known as Doctor Lectur?
(Score: 4, Touché) by bob_super on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:45PM
Soylent green, obviously.
(Score: 1) by DECbot on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:10PM
I thought they were composted for heat which is used to run a turbine on a generator used to power the server.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 3, Funny) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:10PM (1 child)
You do realize one of said staff goes by the callsign "The Mighty Buzzard"? It ain't just because he's an old buzzard.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:38PM
Dude, shut up! If I lose a ton of free meat every year and end up having to start fishing more, I won't have time to work on the site.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:48PM
I could run another "sweepstakes" but this time you get mods instead of blackberrys
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:12PM (3 children)
This place will turn into disqus if you allow paid troll posters to sign up. Am I allowed to hawk boner pills here?
I think banning opinions and annoying personalities is a poor fit for a site like this but allowing people to come here with no intent to contribute positively in any way shape or form is a bad idea.
Furthermore I gotta tell you. You will not get a harder erection AT ANY PRICE than what my I offer at such a low price with my revolutionary boner bead pills. It is taking the internet by storm.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:16PM
Where is your evidence for this?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:32PM
You're the worst AC troll on the site.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:51PM
Meh. 4chan survived CorrectTheRecord, 4chan survived ShareBlue. When they pay trolls to come in they also expose that troll to other opinions, and at least in the case of 4chan lose a lot of their own people.
>You have been paid .02 for this post.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @11:56PM (5 children)
Any other questions?
Yes, are you the #MAGAbomber?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:24AM (4 children)
I don't have time for that shit. It takes a lot of time and work to make bombs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:03AM
Like everything else, you farm it out. You can always hire some depressed Arab teenager. He'll probably even deliver them personally..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @08:12AM
Already reported to the proper authorities, with IP and Google location data. Go to ground, Runaway, before the violent imposition is inspecting your lower colon, and not for health reasons!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @10:36AM (1 child)
No it doesn't. It's an exceedingly simple task for the type of folks who make up this community.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 25 2018, @07:37PM
And it's getting easier now that bigger cell batteries are protected by fragile glass.
Achieving the optimum phone collision speed to release all the stored energy was a lot harder with plastic and aluminium backs. Extra glass shards are a nice plus, too.
(Score: 5, Informative) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:51PM
Thank you for sticking up for me. For my honor. But, don't worry about me. I've heard worse. And, frankly, I've said worse. You hear it all when you're in the public eye. When you're the biggest Celebrity ever. By the way, I'm not orange, I'm tan. Magnificent Florida tan. And my hair isn't orange. It's the most gorgeous blond hair you've ever seen. Looks orange on the Fake @NBCNews [twitter.com], @ABC [twitter.com], @CBS [twitter.com] & @CNN [twitter.com]. And in the Crooked Failing @nytimes [twitter.com]. Because they use Fake colors. Watch @FoxNews [twitter.com] and you'll see what I REALLY look like. I look fabulous -- absolutely fabulous. But, try not to fall in love with my beauty. Love me for my agenda. For what I'm doing for our great Country!!!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:35PM
No. If free speech includes speech I don't like then it includes speech you don't like as well.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 25 2018, @01:07AM
Man, that sounds like another NPC meme: Soylent is going to the dogs! I'm leaving!
It has always been a motley crew. You must be new here.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @07:26AM (4 children)
Wet squad incoming to Nashville. Target large, post-50 year old male, driving a Tailblazer and confusing bugs for smoke, and advocating the death of millions of his fellow citizens. Consider armed and dangerous, and slightly psychotic. Known to possess a .45 Colt 1911, and a big mouth. Approach with extreme caution, as may have extra improvised explosive devices or welding supplies on is body. Code 445 correlation with FBI. ATF codeword, "Pipsqueak", alternate, "Runsaway". Extreme caution is advised. Shoot frist protocol enabled.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @10:39AM (2 children)
Stop by for a beer and some fishing on your way. Nashville's a goodly drive from where he is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:41PM (1 child)
You're gonna confuse the boy. Nashville and Texarkana are only about that far apart on the map. You should be able to drive it in an hour or so, right? It's not like there are any cities to get in the way or anything. Unless he googles the information, he has zero idea how far it is across Tennessee, or Arkansas, and probably doesn't know how big his own home state is. We could REALLY screw his mind up with Texas!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:25PM
It's FOR FUCKING EVER across Tennessee. Sweet mother of fuck, I hate driving I-40 to or from the east coast. It's like eight mother fucking hours of nothing but Tennessee. At least now that I live here north of Jackson, I get to shave an hour and a half off of that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:41PM
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:12PM (9 children)
"prompting the FBI to launch an investigation into who would want to harm the philanthropist and political activist"
lmao
(Score: 3, Funny) by RandomFactor on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:25PM (8 children)
The picture of one of the devices, if you blow it up, clearly shows an ISIS logo/flag https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller [twitter.com]
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I'm sure there's a conspiracy theory for that, but i'm going to go with attempted coordinated bombings and ISIS flags being in character enough to Occam's Razor this one unless I see significant contrary evidence.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:57PM (6 children)
Now, I am no expert on Daesh/ISIL/ISIS/IS/Whatever, but they look clearly different to me. Barring someone having better information than I have about that flag being genuine, I am going to go out on a limb and call it an obvious fake.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Thursday October 25 2018, @12:55AM (5 children)
Uhh... looks like a cut out patch or just a patch with the symbol similar to the flag... of course its not a full flag.. the size wouldn't match.. no idea if it is fake or not or daesh or not.
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:21AM (4 children)
It appears to be an ISIS joke logo, not the actual ISIS logo.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqTiJluVsAI1mIm.jpg [twimg.com]
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @07:28AM
Pamela is a joke Israeli. The same way that Runaway is a Joke American, and Trump is a Joke precedent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 25 2018, @04:56PM
Absolutely. People were saying, "oh, ISIS Flag sticker!" But now they're saying, it's the 3 chicks and their Dildos. And, ISIS didn't do the Proclamation. They love to proclaim, "oh, look what we did, haha!" Even when it's just, somebody loves ISIS, big fan of ISIS, but never went to the classes. The training. No Proclamation this time. Meaning, ISIS didn't do this one. Because they're VERY WEAK!!!! #WINNING [twitter.com]
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday October 25 2018, @05:04PM (1 child)
Literally a false (ISIS) flag
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:27PM
Well, obviously. It's plainly a sticker not a flag.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Thursday October 25 2018, @02:17AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1055145782200987648.html [threadreaderapp.com]
I think Occam lost this one.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:14PM (3 children)
Whoever sent these bombs wanted them to be found. Go look at what the mail service looks for in mailbombs. They look identical
The post office looks for lumpy packages, with grease stains, excessive postage, and protruding wires. I learned this in the military and sort of rolled my eyes, it sounds like the sort of shit someone would make up if they were tasked with doing so and made up some bullshit on the spot.
Yet the photo I saw checked every box except the grease marks which may just not have been visible in the photo.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:02PM (2 children)
They're also all missing stamp cancellation ink, the bar codes added to any package passing thru a sorting facility that doesn't have preprint barcodes, any of the usual USPS stamps relating to sorts/deliveries, frankly the stamps look like a kids sticker art project not real stamps, the packages are frankly too clean to have made it thru the USPS system, and in an amazing coincidence its been reported the security cameras at CNN just happened to be down for maint so we have no images of where they came from.
Also the freak'n post office can't deliver a GD thing on time when I use it or when I need to get a bill or shipment, but apparently if you're shipping bombs there's a special service code so they all arrive on the same day at numerous attack sites. Purely coincidentally of course.
Remember this IS an election year and we haven't seen the "October surprise" yet... or have we? And fake sex allegations don't work anymore, so a new strategy would seem to be necessary...
But, yeah, I'm sure it'll be labeled a conspiracy theory to suggest its just a false flags. I mean, "orange man bad", amirite?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:28PM
Well I hate Trump and I doubt this is a ploy to get sympathy for liberal candidates. We can draft our theories now and wait and see which ones make sense as further information is released.
I promise you that every federal employee who saw those bombs recognized right away that they were intended to be found. Also I've heard zero about what appears to be a sticker with a face and the ISIS flag. The FBI is aware that someone wanted to put a narrative in the press and they're actively suppressing that narrative. If they were indeed intended to go off (of course not) why bother putting stickers on them? Why hasn't ISIS claimed anything? It is their policy to take full responsibility for anything even barely related. Maybe these have been sent out because ISIS has barely had any press coverage in ages, I'm sure that's hurt their recruiting efforts. But then why democrats?
Perhaps it is some left wing nutbag that thinks this will help draw up sympathy for democrats. It does work nicely to explain why everything is so shoddy and the excessively transparent efforts to get the packages noticed.
Also I find it interesting that the bombs were so crudely made but that electrical tape is stretched like it was applied by a pro and even though the construction is shoddy and amateurish the bomb maker just happened to have a spool of red and a spool of black wire that they used correctly to identify polarity??? Why?? Crude ignition sources, model rocket igniters, busted light bulbs and match heads, etc... none of them care which side is negative and which is positive.
It will be interesting to see what's really going on as more details are provided. Were the bombs just intended to be easy to find? Did whoever made them want to make it obvious to some people that they were to be intercepted?
Well like I said brew your pet conspiracy theories now and see how many of them are left standing as the facts come out.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 25 2018, @11:46PM
In the Post Office's defense, if they know someone is sending bombs through the mail, they don't have to wait till the mail arrives at the target in order to intercept packages passing through the mail. When pipe bombs started showing up, I bet they quickly started going through existing mail for more such packages.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 26 2018, @01:12AM (1 child)
Utter nonsense. They're easily replaced figureheads.
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Sunday October 28 2018, @12:02AM
Sadly true. There are a hundreds in line for each spot waiting for their chance, each custom fitted to their district and relatively similar.
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Now admittedly there isn't another Donald Trump in waiting, but, it is not that there are not replacement Trumps, it is that there is no political pipeline full of them waiting to drop more in his place. Him getting in was a fluke and there is no fluke pipeline, so another Trump would have to follow the same sort of quirky odds-defying path.
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Love him or hate him, he has more people focused on and paying attention to politics than anyone in generations.
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