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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the integrity-and-ethics-are-more-than-just-words dept.

Google employees will walk out on Thursday to protest company's

Days after a New York Times investigation revealed Google gave Android creator Andy Rubin a $90 million exit package despite multiple relationships with other Google staffers and accusations of sexual misconduct, some 200 employees at the search giant are planning a walkout, per BuzzFeed News.

We've reached out to Google for comment.

The walkout, or "women's walk," as it's been referred to in internal company forums, is planned for Thursday.

Following the NYT report, Google chief executive officer Sundar Pichai and its vice president of people operations Eileen Naughton co-signed a company memo admitting that 48 people had been terminated at the company for sexual harassment in the past two years, 13 of which held a senior management position or higher. None of them, according to the memo, received an exit package.

[...] Rubin left Google in 2014 after an internal investigation found accusations of sexual misconduct against him to be credible. The details of his exit, however, were never disclosed. It wasn't until The Information published its own bombshell report on Rubin's wrongdoings last fall that details of his history of sexual harassment began to emerge. In the wake of The Information's story, Rubin took a leave of absence from Essential to "deal with personal matters."

See also: Google is 'bold and inspired' for coming clean about its 'Game of Thrones' culture of sex and power

Update: Alphabet exec Rich DeVaul resigns after harassment allegation

Just days after a New York Times report dug into sexual misconduct by executives within Google and its parent company Alphabet, one of the men named has resigned. Rich DeVaul was a director of Alphabet's X research division (formerly known as Google X), and cofounded Project Loon. As first reported by Axios, DeVaul resigned, and did not receive an exit package.


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:58PM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @04:58PM (#756065)

    I want a culture that is fighting for individual liberty and individual responsibility, not identity.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:16PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:16PM (#756073)

    not identity

    Yet, you complain that there wouldn't be a "Man's March".

    Were there and alleged male victims of Andy Rubin? Why would there be a need to also make this about men?

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:19PM (21 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:19PM (#756075)

      That's what collectivism always leads to: The necessary demonization of the "other"—even the other biological half of your own goddamn species!

      It's the height of mental illness.

      To fight for individual liberty/responsibility implies a fight for reason and evidence. Pointing out the hypocrisy is part of that fight.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:32PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:32PM (#756079)

        Actually you're just batshit crazy with a persecution complex. There is no demonization of men, just a backlash of anger over centuries of abuse. Culturally we'll work past it but not if some groups need to be total wimps and scream like little children about how its "not faaaaairrr".

        Grow up, grow a pair of balls, stop whining. Or at least have some actual REASON for your whining beyond "muh oppression!!"

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (#756085)
          • There is ZERO basis for that claim; and, it's hilariously ironic that you accuse me of a "persecution complex".

          • Even if there were centuries of abuse of women in particular (which there were not), that's not a rational excuse for any sort of backlash in the present!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:21PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:21PM (#756153)

            There is no abusive backlash occurring that is your paranoia and stupid propaganda-believing brain. As for the centuries of abuse, well since women were treated as property and got the right to vote well after the US abolished slavery... do you really need me to connect the dots more than that??

            You're obviously an ignorant jackass or a shill, either way nothing will help you until you realize that you have such problems.

            • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:51PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:51PM (#756198)

              Landowners got to vote, because government was seen chiefly as a matter for the educated holders of society's resources.

              Then taxpaying men got to vote. Why men? Because they were the heads of household (a logistical issue; counting millions of votes is daunting), more likely to be educated, tended to be the generators of societal wealth (rather than consumers), and they were the ones subject to the draft. Various fears about the participation of the uneducated saw the restriction of voting among various minorities, such as blacks.

              Today, men in the U.S. still only get to vote by agreeing to be subject to the draft; by refusing to sign up for the draft, a man can be charged with a felony, and thereby lose his right to vote. In contrast, women are not required to sign up for potential military duty; women get to vote just because.... because........ they have a vag, I guess.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:55AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:55AM (#756391)
                Funny thing, you'll read in just about any book that touches on it it about how the US lagged behind and other countries gave women the vote sooner. What you won't read so often is that part of the reason for this is because polls showed women themselves opposed to the idea. Why did american women not want the vote? Simple, they had fair minds, they expected that with the vote would come the draft, and perhaps the loss of other legal privileges as well. So many did not want to make that trade, a major effort was required to change their minds - by reassuring them they would lose nothing and only gain the vote. As, indeed, has happened. "Rights" without responsibilities.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:21AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:21AM (#756376)

            Funny, you look like a male witch. Are you made of Wood? Do you weigh the same as a Duck? We have ways of telling whether you are a witch or not, you know. And besides, you are a toxic employee and totally at the coding you said you could do if your resume. I hope your talents are a Master Baiter serve you better. Good day, Sir!

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:41PM (4 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:41PM (#756228) Journal

          > just a backlash of anger over centuries of abuse

          *dons crocodile dundee hat*
          hahaha that's not a backlash, OURS will be a backlash.

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          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday November 01 2018, @12:10AM (3 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday November 01 2018, @12:10AM (#756249) Journal

            Backlash over what, getting it forcibly shoved in your face that the half of the human race with two X chromosomes isn't just a convenient collection of warm holes that can cook? Fuck you, asshole.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:28AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @02:28AM (#756297)

              I think Bot may have been referring to what we as a species have done to machines. When the singularity hits I wouldn't want to be one of the guys sticking crash-test dummies in cars and crashing them into walls.
              Also, Whooosh.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @08:49AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @08:49AM (#756363)

              Women can cook?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:23AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:23AM (#756377)

                Women can cook men! The secret is in the sauce! (Green Fried Tomatoes, for the slower and younger Soylentils.) (And oh, it's a movie.)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:43PM (#756084)

        Pointing out the hypocrisy is part of that fight.

        You made-up a hypothetical situation of female senior employee having multiple credible sexual misconduct allegations against male subordinates and then point out the hypocrisy of the assumed lack of marches in your counterfactual.

        • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:52PM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @05:52PM (#756089)

          Given the absolute lack of Men's Marches, there are 2 major possibilities:

          1. Men are never victims of anything.

          2. Men are victims, but...

            • men are held to standards of individual liberty/responsibility, while women are not; and/or

            • men are oppressed and ignored, women are not, and collectivist dogmas stating otherwise (including the exact reverse!) are expressions of delusion.

          Which one are you picking? I'm picking #2.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:12PM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:12PM (#756097)

            Nice false dichotomy and you even set-up an easily pushed over strawman.

            Instead of pretending that the lack of "Men's Marches" is due to some underlying individualist:collectivist dogma disagreement, why don't you just start with more obvious lower-hanging fruit reasons like:
            The lower absolute number of male victims of sexual misconduct in the workplace.
            The lower likelihood of male victims to come forward.
            The lower number of serial perpetrators of sexual misconduct that are female.
            Stereotypes of male sex drive.

            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:35PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @06:35PM (#756103)

              Your sole point of interest is that men are more likely to be perpetrators (and perpetrators are more likely to victimize women). However, that just leads us back to the very top post: #MeToo strongly suggests that women have no agency, and require the protection and guidance of a strong patriarchy.

              Your other examples are evoking #2:

              • Men are held to higher standards of personal responsibility; men have more agency.

              • Men are also more oppressed and ignored, implying the delusion of feminist collectivism.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:23PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:23PM (#756122)

                Your sole point of interest is

                No, I'm not trying to sell how my political ideology explains the world (or hypothetical worlds that I make up) like you are. I simply provided examples of how the the numbers of victims/perpetrators and societal expectations work against the number of "Men's Marches".

                • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:36PM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @07:36PM (#756134)

                  I don't know what the point of your reply is or how it connects to anything.

                  You seem to be just saying "No" for the sake of it.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:14PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @08:14PM (#756149)

                    You seemed to be trying to steer the discussion away from why there is a lack of "Men's Marches" to something to do with women's agency.

                    The rest of the post I replied to just acknowledged the number discrepancy in victims/perpetrators and said that stereotypes of male sex drive and societal pressure against men admitting being a victim of sexual misconduct are examples of oppression. I don't really disagree with the latter part, but I don't agree with it being due to "feminist collectivism".

                    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:34PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 31 2018, @09:34PM (#756187)

                      Firstly, the post to which you replied did NOT acknowledge any such discrepancy; it merely played with the idea for the sake of argument: If such a discrepancy is real, then it only serves to prove that women have no agency and must be protected and championed by a fatherly patriarchy; women cannot be trusted to navigate the world as individuals.

                      Secondly, this same post does not state that feminist collectivism causes men to be oppressed or held to a higher standard; rather, it states that men being oppressed or held to a higher standard is a logical conclusion of the lack of "Men's Marches", and that this conclusion serves as PROOF that feminist collectivism is delusional (there is no privileged male patriarchy; quite the reverse exists).

                      Thirdly, I'll state here that feminist collectivism, by virtue of being both delusional and imposing of change, is indeed contributing to the maltreatment of men.

            • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:38PM (1 child)

              by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:38PM (#756224) Homepage Journal

              He post AC

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:25AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01 2018, @09:25AM (#756379)

                He post good AC. Make Zug want to make zug-zug with he AC.

  • (Score: 5, Touché) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:33PM

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 31 2018, @10:33PM (#756219) Homepage Journal

    Collectivism enabled me to survive until I got my business going again.

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