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posted by mrpg on Monday November 05 2018, @05:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the REJECT dept.

Submitted via IRC for Bytram

Swedish ISP punishes Elsevier for forcing it to block Sci-Hub by also blocking Elsevier

[...] Unfortunately for Swedes and for science, the Swedish Patent and Market Court (which never met a copyright overreach it didn't love) upheld the order, and Bahnhof, a small ISP with limited resources, decided not to appeal (a bigger, richer ISP had just lost a similar appeal).

Instead, Bahnhof now blocks attempts to visit Sci-Hub domains, and Elsevier.com, redirecting attempts to visit Elsevier to a page explaining how Elsevier's sleaze and bullying have allowed it to monopolize scientific publishing, paywalling publicly funded science that is selected, reviewed and edited by volunteers who mostly work for publicly funded institutions.

To as[sic] icing on this revenge-flavored cake, Bahnhof also detects attempts to visit its own site from the Patent and Market Court and redirects them to a page explaining that since the Patent and Market Court believes that parts of the web should be blocked, Bahnhof is blocking the court's access to its part of the web.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Monday November 05 2018, @08:53AM (4 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Monday November 05 2018, @08:53AM (#757895) Journal
    I moderated you troll, after considering off-topic instead, as this appeared to be a blatant derail/red herring/change the subject post.

    After doing so, for the first time ever *drum rolls* I'm seriously reconsidering my moderation. Maybe you're not a troll. Maybe you're just a dumbass.

    Because it struck me, there is some sort of logic to what you're saying.

    Guns are tools. The fallacy in 'gun control' is trying to prohibit useful tools, rather than simply prohibit their misuse. You're calling the government a tool, and you're implying it's being misused?

    The government, in a /western liberal democracy/ at least, is supposed to be a tool of the citizens, certainly. The point is coherent to that point. Yes, institutions intended to be tools for good are being misused.

    But the difference is enormous. Guns are not people - they don't take action on their own, to preserve their own position, to perhaps increase their pay and influence? No guns are inanimate objects. They can never bear blame for anything - if they fail, it is because of an error made by their designer, their manufacturer, their maintainer, or their end user.

    The government, on the other hand, is composed of people. Each of whom has presumably been taught and tested throughout their life on the basic concepts of the society they are supposed to be serving. It can fail on the same levels - it can have a flaw in design, in implementation, in adaption to changing circumstance, or by otherwise losing the general consent (天命.)

    But it's still people. It's not an inanimate object, behind which we *must* look to find a conscious decision. No, it's literally a beast composed of living human carcasses.

    You'd find a better parallel in comparing it to a big corporation, than a proper tool. Try appealing to sympathy for the poor government employee, who tries his best to present a sane outer face while simultaneously satisfying multiple incompatible and ill-considered demands from different sets of bosses (or the same set of bosses in different annual incarnations or whatever) if you want to invoke any real sympathy for the gov very far from the Potomac.
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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday November 05 2018, @09:04AM (1 child)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday November 05 2018, @09:04AM (#757899) Journal

    Arik, you are a verbose monospaced fool. Just let it go, please. I may have to mod you counter-troll mod.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Arik on Monday November 05 2018, @09:31AM

      by Arik (4543) on Monday November 05 2018, @09:31AM (#757904) Journal
      "Arik,"

      Phillistinos,

      "you are a"

      Be careful! Absolute phrasing with the verb 'to be' can cause you to think like an animal! CATegorically and DOGmatically!

      "verbose"

      /me nods and rolls his eyes skyward, shrugging his shoulders.

      "monospaced"

      /me tilts his head towards his left shoulder, brows furrowing, puzzled.

      "fool."

      /me shrugs helplessly, nods.

      Countermod me if you wish, I tried to undo his mod already, I'm more interested in his reply than thine.
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  • (Score: 2) by sjames on Monday November 05 2018, @10:22AM (1 child)

    by sjames (2882) on Monday November 05 2018, @10:22AM (#757917) Journal

    Indeed, government, like a gun may be considered to be a tool. And this was a serious misuse of a tppl. You may have missed the way I pointed out a serious disconnect that takes place in the mind of a person who is pro gun but anti government when they claim that tool is blameless in the former case but the tool carries all of the blame in the second.

    Considering that you see the point but couldn't resist the troll mod, I'm guessing something in that line of reasoning makes you uncomfortable.

    I do see your point as well. Government doesn't go blameless in this case, but neither does Elsevier. Of course, I would likewise remind the strict gun control advocate that the person holding the gun is hardly blameless for the gun violence.

    • (Score: 1) by Arik on Monday November 05 2018, @02:10PM

      by Arik (4543) on Monday November 05 2018, @02:10PM (#757977) Journal
      "Considering that you see the point but couldn't resist the troll mod"

      You're misunderstanding, I didn't see your point until after modding.

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