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posted by mrpg on Monday November 05 2018, @05:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the REJECT dept.

Submitted via IRC for Bytram

Swedish ISP punishes Elsevier for forcing it to block Sci-Hub by also blocking Elsevier

[...] Unfortunately for Swedes and for science, the Swedish Patent and Market Court (which never met a copyright overreach it didn't love) upheld the order, and Bahnhof, a small ISP with limited resources, decided not to appeal (a bigger, richer ISP had just lost a similar appeal).

Instead, Bahnhof now blocks attempts to visit Sci-Hub domains, and Elsevier.com, redirecting attempts to visit Elsevier to a page explaining how Elsevier's sleaze and bullying have allowed it to monopolize scientific publishing, paywalling publicly funded science that is selected, reviewed and edited by volunteers who mostly work for publicly funded institutions.

To as[sic] icing on this revenge-flavored cake, Bahnhof also detects attempts to visit its own site from the Patent and Market Court and redirects them to a page explaining that since the Patent and Market Court believes that parts of the web should be blocked, Bahnhof is blocking the court's access to its part of the web.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @09:49AM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @09:49AM (#757907)

    Are you just satirizing the viewpoints that you seem to argue for? It sure seems like that lately. Protestation of censorship != suppression of speech.

  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Monday November 05 2018, @10:01AM (8 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday November 05 2018, @10:01AM (#757909) Journal

    Ah, Waif of the Future! It may all be too much for you to comprehend, how the Elsevier came to hold such power, and how Nazis came back from the dead. But pay attention. This corporation sued an author for distributing his own work. If copyright is meant to incentivise the dissemination of knowledge, corporations like this have passed over to the dark side.

    As for Nazis? Fascists? Trump? Amazing, do not you think, that these types have to seize printing presses and force the former owners to print their mindless drivel, much as Gab and Dailystrummer have been trying to force companies to host and DNS route their vile putrescence onto the Web. Not the same thing? How so, oh brave and intrepid AC?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @03:54PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05 2018, @03:54PM (#758015)

      Blocking Elsevier in /protest/ of their RESTRICTING ACCESS TO DATA that they don't like and saying we /should/ RESTRICT ACCESS TO DATA that we don't like, are contrary positions to hold. If you can't see that, try thinking for once instead of just drooling directly into the comment box.

      • (Score: 2) by fritsd on Monday November 05 2018, @04:43PM (1 child)

        by fritsd (4586) on Monday November 05 2018, @04:43PM (#758042) Journal

        You are absolutely correct, however..

        *most* research is not about "how to acquire and train authoritarian followers and take over government".
        Most chemistry research, anyway.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by looorg on Monday November 05 2018, @05:05PM

          by looorg (578) on Monday November 05 2018, @05:05PM (#758060)

          Most chemistry research, anyway.

          Are you sure? Isn't most chemistry about either maintaining or breaking bonds. I'm sure there could be applications there for the violent exothermic reaction that eventually overthrows a government ...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @01:40AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @01:40AM (#758308)

      You are trying to be funny, but we must defeat the ISP and work to make censorship technically impossible. Discussing whether we should develop this tech is truly stupid. We simply must do it. The people that take your postings seriously are nuts. That's why I never will :-)

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Tuesday November 06 2018, @03:21AM (3 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @03:21AM (#758341) Journal

        That's why I never will :-)

        Obviously you could never take a post of mine seriously, since you plainly do not understand them. Let me try to make it simple for you. Elsevier is claiming that a website should be de-platformed because copyrights. See? Do you understand now where the censorship comes in? It is property, imaginary property. Now the fact that the ISP said, "OK, we will block them. But we will also block you." Turnabout is fair play, my luscious and squishy AC! And you have understood what I am calling for completely wrong. I do not say "censor that Nazi"! Instead I say "Concentrate fire on the enemy lines! Paint for airstrike! Punch the Nazis in the face." See? No censorship at all, just good ol' American Anti-fascism!

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:22PM (#758560)

          Violent reaction to speech is fascism. Violence in only justified in the defense of freedom. You draw first blood, you're the bad guy. And in this case also, the ISP is the bad guy. Censorship is always evil. Elsevier is just mouthing off (kinda like you do). The people (ISP) that acquiesce to them are the evil ones.

          The reason I don't take you seriously is because you are just being silly, looking for a reaction. I would call it trolling, but that's too negative. The funny mod works best for you, for levity's sake. Gotta keep things positive.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @04:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @04:16PM (#759018)

          Oh! Moderation, eh? Whatever works, babe

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08 2018, @03:46PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 08 2018, @03:46PM (#759396)

          I'm not neccesarily disagreeing with you, but are you like this IRL ?