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posted by mrpg on Monday November 05 2018, @05:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the REJECT dept.

Submitted via IRC for Bytram

Swedish ISP punishes Elsevier for forcing it to block Sci-Hub by also blocking Elsevier

[...] Unfortunately for Swedes and for science, the Swedish Patent and Market Court (which never met a copyright overreach it didn't love) upheld the order, and Bahnhof, a small ISP with limited resources, decided not to appeal (a bigger, richer ISP had just lost a similar appeal).

Instead, Bahnhof now blocks attempts to visit Sci-Hub domains, and Elsevier.com, redirecting attempts to visit Elsevier to a page explaining how Elsevier's sleaze and bullying have allowed it to monopolize scientific publishing, paywalling publicly funded science that is selected, reviewed and edited by volunteers who mostly work for publicly funded institutions.

To as[sic] icing on this revenge-flavored cake, Bahnhof also detects attempts to visit its own site from the Patent and Market Court and redirects them to a page explaining that since the Patent and Market Court believes that parts of the web should be blocked, Bahnhof is blocking the court's access to its part of the web.


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  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Monday November 05 2018, @12:43PM (10 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Monday November 05 2018, @12:43PM (#757952)

    A well armed population is a polite population;

    Explain New York then.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Oakenshield on Monday November 05 2018, @02:50PM (9 children)

    by Oakenshield (4900) on Monday November 05 2018, @02:50PM (#757989)

    A well armed population is a polite population;

    Explain New York then.

    Perhaps you should not have stopped reading and you might have had your answer.

    a lack of politeness is an asymmetry in armaments.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:53AM (8 children)

      by dry (223) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:53AM (#758380) Journal

      So if no one is armed, you get maximum politeness? And if people are unequally armed you get minimum politeness?

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:08AM (7 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:08AM (#758387) Journal

        No, he's trying to hide his own insecurity behind tough-sounding talk. It says a lot about people who say "an armed society is a polite society," because what that implies is that 1) they only reason they're "polite" is they're afraid of injury or death, and 2) if that threat weren't there, they'd be "impolite." Also 3) they think everyone else in the country is as much of a spineless, antisocial moral nullity as they are.

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        • (Score: 2) by dry on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:52AM

          by dry (223) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @05:52AM (#758402) Journal

          True, but your bluntness will never make people think. Probably nothing will but coming from an unarmed society, I'm polite. (Of course there are also impolite unarmed societies)

        • (Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:48PM (5 children)

          by Oakenshield (4900) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @02:48PM (#758499)

          No, he's trying to hide his own insecurity behind tough-sounding talk. It says a lot about people who say "an armed society is a polite society," because what that implies is that 1) they only reason they're "polite" is they're afraid of injury or death, and 2) if that threat weren't there, they'd be "impolite." Also 3) they think everyone else in the country is as much of a spineless, antisocial moral nullity as they are.

          Unfortunately, I am all too aware that much of the country is witless, amoral, self destructive and naïve. The underlying issue is asymmetric power and as a female, it's something you should completely understand unless that MeToo thing was much ado about nothing.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:12PM (4 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @04:12PM (#758553) Journal

            Oh yes, I understand *all* about asymmetric power. It's one of the reasons I'm actually pro-gun-ownership, I just want people to stop being fucking stupid about it. I may or may not possess a concealed carry license and a .22 myself. Not saying one way or another. No one but me needs to know unless they attempt a rape or robbery.

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            • (Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Tuesday November 06 2018, @06:53PM (3 children)

              by Oakenshield (4900) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @06:53PM (#758631)

              So you claim to support gun ownership yet you want to call me a "spineless, antisocial moral nullity" for pointing out the obvious that there aren't very many of those rapes and robberies occurring at the gun range. I also find it interesting that I can freely admit I have no concealed carry permit, nor do I own any handguns at all but you scrutinize me to be spineless and antisocial, fearing injury or death whereas you imply that you do carry concealed but apparently are not subject to the same assessment. Perhaps you should do some personal introspection before you make snap judgments about others lest they reflect back upon you.

              Apparently this is another one of those "rules for thee, not for me" cases.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:39AM (2 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:39AM (#758848) Journal

                Oh blow it out your ass. I'm going to call you spineless and antisocial *if* you think the only thing stopping people in the main from rape and robbery is the fear of a high-speed vitamin L injection. If you aren't that simpleminded and bestial, then you can ignore those insults, as they're not meant for you. If you are, then they apply.

                I'm under no illusions about what that weapon means and what the implications of carrying it are. I don't think most people truly understand what it is to carry (potential) deaths, plural, on their person, how horrible and scary it is and how awful, therefore, the surrounding world is in order to make someone even consider doing such a thing. If we have fallen, as a nation, to the point that only fear of permanent injury or death stops us from committing violent crime, then we're well and truly fucked.

                THAT is my beef here. Anyone who thinks this way is a threat to civilized society, because it means that 1) they think existence is at BEST a zero-sum game, 2) humans can never, ever raise ourselves above the moral level of, say, chimpanzees no matter how much our technology advances, and 3) despite 1 and 2 they don't have the presence of mind to place limits on the most dangerous bits of that technology because "MUH FREEDUMBZ."

                Do you truly not see the contradiction in there, and the self-defeating, despairing nihilism of it all?

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                • (Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:41PM (1 child)

                  by Oakenshield (4900) on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:41PM (#759065)

                  If we have fallen, as a nation, to the point that only fear of permanent injury or death stops us from committing violent crime, then we're well and truly fucked.

                  I thought the quote was that an armed society is a polite society, not non-violent or crime free. Regardless, we *have* fallen as a society. We have the largest prison population in the world. We have daily road rage incidents. There are people being shot over items of insignificant value. Fights break out over perceived insult to ego. Way too many people place no value on the lives of others.

                  You would like to think that your handgun will protect you if you are attacked, when in reality you are statistically unlikely to have time or opportunity to produce it when most needed. However, if it were known by the attacker in advance that you were armed, you would be much less likely be attacked. Bullies choose not to victimize those who are able to defend themselves. This is the point. You can try to throw in sociological or psychological justifications of why this should not be, but reality wins.

                  You certainly have proven your point though being armed and one of the most impolite humans I have ever met. Next time, make an effort to debate without jumping straight to ad homonyms.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday November 09 2018, @05:26AM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday November 09 2018, @05:26AM (#759727) Journal

                    Oh cry harder, asshole. I'm not "nice," and have not been "nice" for several years now. This is what you jerkoffs call "not being politically correct," innit? Odd how your kind are the flakiest of snowflakes despite all the tough talk. If you can't stand the heat, get off the pot, as the saying doesn't go.

                    Now, you seem reasonably intelligent, and you have at least a partial grasp on the problems at hand. You mention, in the middle of that list, "people being shot over items of insignificant value." What, precisely, are these people being shot with? Please think about that in context of the rest of your post.

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