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posted by chromas on Monday November 12 2018, @02:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the apple-is-now-dead-to-me dept.

Apple's MacBook Pro laptops have become increasingly unfriendly with Linux in recent years [...] But now with the latest Mac Mini systems employing Apple's T2 security chip, they too are likely to crush any Linux dreams.

At least until further notice, these new Apple systems sporting the T2 chip will not be able to boot Linux operating systems.

[...] By default, Microsoft Windows isn't even bootable on the new Apple systems until enabling support for Windows via the Boot Camp Assistant macOS software.

From Phoronix.


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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Monday November 12 2018, @05:42AM (4 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Monday November 12 2018, @05:42AM (#760814) Journal
    Yeah, running Linux under a Mac OS VM is exactly the same thing as running under bare hardware - not.

    Why would you want to do it? Because you happen to own an Apple branded PC. Maybe you got it for free, I don't know, the point being that you want to get some use out of it, instead of use it as a doorstop, so of course you will want to install software on it.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by fyngyrz on Monday November 12 2018, @12:33PM (3 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Monday November 12 2018, @12:33PM (#760883) Journal

    Because you happen to own one?

    No, because I know what I'm doing. I don't own one, I own five. Presently three Mac Pros, a Mac mini, and an iMac, as well as a set of four native linux servers and two Windows machines, so I'm intimately familiar with various paths of mixing and matching. When you develop software for all three platforms as I do, as well as run multiple web servers, you tend to learn quite a bit about what can be done and how difficult or easy it is.

    Yeah, running Linux under a Mac OS VM is exactly the same thing as running under bare hardware - not.

    Having been running multiple varieties of linux doing real work under OSX VMs for many years now, I seriously doubt that most people have any applications at all that require running under bare hardware. VMs are very powerful these days and there are many things you might think of running under linux you can also run under OSX native, linux not in the least bit required. But for the exceptions, yes, there are other paths they can take so again, this is pretty much going to be a non-issue for 99.99% of the people out there that actually know what they're doing. Further, running a VM under OSX offers advantages as well, specifically ready access to many applications otherwise not available (and that goes for Windows as well... in fact in all six directions, any OS to any other OS, not even counting the less commonly used OS's that can also run in VMs.)

    the point being that you want to get some use out of it, instead of use it as a doorstop, so of course you will want to install software on it.

    "Doorstop", lol. That's purest backwards hyperbolic nonsense. If you can't get any use out of such a setup, it's not the setup's fault, it's 100% yours and it goes straight to your lack of competence. A linux machine standalone has access to far less software than an OSX machine that can comfortably and legally run applications from all three major operating systems. Period.

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    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Monday November 12 2018, @01:00PM

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Monday November 12 2018, @01:00PM (#760891) Journal

      Actually... six Macs. Forgot about the laptop. Still running fine after all these years, but hardly ever used, so I dropped some bits. My brain needs regular refreshes like DRAM. :)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 12 2018, @01:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 12 2018, @01:34PM (#760899)

      When the PPC macs could no longer run the newest mac OS, you could put linux on them and run modern browsers. So when this newer generation loses OSX support and you can run only old ass shit you would want a brand new distro which actually supports programs from less than 10 years ago. That's why you want linux on bare hardware. Otherwise enjoy doing everything in a VM. And this is just one thing off the top of my head.

    • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday November 12 2018, @05:04PM

      by Immerman (3985) on Monday November 12 2018, @05:04PM (#760966)

      Having spent a couple months trying to use Linux under a VM on MacOS, I gave up. It ran fine, but between two OSes and a VM, the hotkey conflicts and other UI glitches were interminable. It'd be great if I wanted to run MacOS and a few Linux programs, but I wanted to run Linux and a few MacOS programs, and was lured by the promise of three-finger-swiping between OSes (that part worked beautifully). So the plan is now to install Linux natively and try to get MacOS running in a VM. I've heard it can be done, we'll see if Fusion360 cooperates.