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posted by martyb on Wednesday November 14 2018, @02:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the Wizard's-First-Rule dept.

Two innocent men have been burned alive by a massive lynch mob after WhatsApp rumours branded them child abductors.

A large crowd gathered outside the police station after rumours spread about the two men.

A mob dragged two men out of a police station, savagely beat them and then set them on fire, killing them, after a false rumour was spread on WhatsApp about the pair being child kidnappers.

The mother of one of the men made a desperate plea for the crowd to stop as she watched the lynching unfold on a Facebook livestream.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46145986


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:36PM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:36PM (#761755)

    Which is just one reason that I always report those "This guy is a paedophile and he moved into my area, let's get his face known" posts on any social media.

    You CANNOT go accusing people of stuff like this, no matter how "sure" you think you are. You have NO idea what the truth is or who might decide that someone "looks a bit like him" and starts this stuff.

    Even in a civilised country (where this kind of thing would end with a riot-squad taking the entire crowd away and protecting the alleged "paedophile"), you can't just go throwing these accusations around as it stokes tensions and causes people to react in completely insensible ways.

    Notice, however, that it's almost ALWAYS the crowd getting the wrong end of the stick. There are very, very, very few instances where such lynchings result in getting the right person at all. The stupidity of a crowd is not only endless, but doesn't even spot the pattern.

    Two problems:

    A) People think they can take the law into their own hands.
    B) Such people ALWAYS get it wrong anyway.

    The first is a matter of civility (that the police should have endeavoured to protect him, and called in assistance, and tried their best not to allow it to happen.
    The second is literal human stupidity coming out.

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  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:50PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:50PM (#761759)

    that the police should have endeavoured to protect him, and called in assistance, and tried their best not to allow it to happen.

    If the national guard or equivalent takes hours to come down, and the crowd outside is thirsty for blood, the most rational solution for the police inside may be to give the mob what it wants.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:11PM (18 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:11PM (#761768)

      A crowd in that state is like a pack of animals. There is nothing human working in their brains at that moment, they are pure animalistic instinct. The only way to break that behavior is to trigger another, more powerfull, animalistic instinct.

      The police should have started shooting in the crowd. Then you would have seen the crowd's behavior change instantly from rabbid wolf pack to panic stampede of animals running for their lives in every direction. Much like bear bangers instantly break a bear's behavior from predatory to fleeing for its life.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:53PM (16 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:53PM (#761792)

        Hopefully we're talking about rubber bullets, or beanbag shotguns, or something...otherwise killing people in the mob to save the innocent guy is kind of an ethical question. Cf. the trolley problem.

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        • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:42PM

          by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:42PM (#761807)

          I agree it should ideally be deterrents fired, at least to start.

          However, I don't see how killing would-be murderers to save innocent men is in any way comparable to the trolley problem. Maybe some of them just showed up for a peaceful protest, but they chose to remain as things devolved into a violent mob. I don't see how joining a mob should absolve you of responsibility for your crimes any more than getting drunk should. *You* are still the one who willingly chose to compromise your good judgement. If you're not willing to own up to the results, don't do it in the first place.

          Now perhaps some leniency is justified for the murderers after the fact, as most people have a lot less personal experience with mobs than with getting drunk, and may underestimate just how badly it can compromise their judgement. But that's after the fact, when there's nothing left to be done for the innocent.

          As it is, I hope at the very least the guilty are all plagued by nightmares for years to come, and learn a lesson from being forced to confront the monster that dwells within them. Far too many people grossly underestimate their own capacity for evil.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:50PM (#761812)

          The Trolley Problem ceases to be a problem when the crowd you hit with the train was trying to murder the person you diverted the train from.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:14PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:14PM (#761822)

          Killing each and every concentration camp guard to save a single prisoner is permissible.

          Killing each and every person on earth with one exception is permissible if they all are attempting to murder that one guy.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:52PM (3 children)

          by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:52PM (#761842)

          A few rounds of high-caliber or shotgun into the air can definitely make most of a crowd reconsider the urgency of their involvement in the matter at hand.

          Past a certain size and anger level, it's better for the cops to step aside and let one guy get lynched instead triggering of a full battle. Under that threshold, the deafening crack of a rifle or 45/50-cal is impossible to ignore, though hard to use without causing a stampede in the other direction.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:58PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:58PM (#761844)

            It's better that the murderous mob be gunned down no matter how numerous the perpetrators or how few the victims.

            Rights are that which is defended beyond expected utility.

            • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:18PM (1 child)

              by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:18PM (#761885)

              Cops are local people.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:51PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:51PM (#761899)

                They accept the ire they earn by enforcing the law when they take the job.

                If a cops brother is attempting to murder a person and shooting him is the only reliable way to stop it, then he has a duty to do so.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:59PM (8 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:59PM (#761845) Journal

          No, lethal force. I have no ethical qualms with seeing people die, who are inciting to riot. The cops should have manned the gates, and gunned down anyone making serious efforts to come through the gates. Failure to protect the innocent people in their custody is closely akin to that jackass who pretended to be a cop, then hid outside while a gunman rampaged through the school in Florida.

          • (Score: 3, Touché) by isostatic on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:14PM (6 children)

            by isostatic (365) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:14PM (#761881) Journal

            while a gunman rampaged through the school in Florida.

            All it takes is a good guy with a gun to stop that

            Oh right.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:17PM (4 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:17PM (#761883) Journal

              Key word being "good guy". Don't confuse "good guy" with "coward".

              • (Score: 3, Touché) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:21PM (3 children)

                by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:21PM (#761887)

                No True Scotsman to the rescue !

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:52PM (2 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:52PM (#761900) Journal

                  Actually - no. That cop was a coward, plain and simple. He was no good guy at all. He thought being a cop was all about security, a pension, a nice home, and spending his hard-earned tax dollars, skimmed out of all his neighbor's pockets. He wasn't about to put himself at risk, just to save a kid, or six kids, or fifty kids. Good guy? A "good guy" is a guy who will risk himself for his fellow man. Don't confuse a self serving ass with a good guy.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:50PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:50PM (#761930)

                    I think you're missing the point being made above.

                    The "one good guy with a gun" sarcastic comment illustrates how that argument supporting wide adoption and carrying of guns is flawed reasoning.

                    Occasionally the good guy with a gun will have 100% positive outcomes, but I bet most times it will create problems and get the "good guy" killed by the cops or someone who doesn't quite know which person is good or bad.

                    Not that your commentary is invalid, a cowardly cop is a sad human being.

                    Here we see the value inherent in educational systems!!! *reading skills*

                  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:07PM

                    by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:07PM (#761939)

                    No True Scotsman character assassination, as befitting of someone who wasn't there to judge the real-time unknowns of the tactical situation, and can't handle that the "good guy with a gun" line is worthy of Hollywood, not of real situations where one or many gunmen are not gonna miss you ten times just because a scenario requires it.
                    There was a Good Guy With A Gun in Thousand Oaks last week. He's now dead, and his death may have saved a few people, or maybe not. The shooter killed himself when he was done, not because an actual Hero barged in to save people.
                    Most cops are not Rambo or John McLane. The Florida one was a bad cop, who did not do what might maybe potentially have saved lives, and hindered some of his colleagues coming in to assist. But don't buy the rhetoric that anyone who signs up to help keep the peace, or just carries a gun, is eager to go in a blaze of glory. That's the fallacy of the Good Guy line.

            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:40PM

              by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:40PM (#761893) Homepage Journal

              I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this website would have done that, too.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by NewNic on Thursday November 15 2018, @12:29AM

            by NewNic (6420) on Thursday November 15 2018, @12:29AM (#761982) Journal
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:01PM (#761815)

        If the police are related to the mob, they won't shoot their own kin. If they are outsiders themselves, their brains will be splattered all over the walls of the police station once they are overcome.

        Better send the prisoner out an write a report.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:32PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:32PM (#761889) Homepage Journal

      If they had protection INSIDE, the results would've been far better. This is a dispute that will always exist, I suspect, but if they had some kind of a protection inside the police station, maybe it could've been a very much different situation. They didn't, and the mob was able to do things that unfortunately they shouldn't have been able to do.

      Folks, this is why we have to be very careful about the Dems. The Democrat Party has become an angry, ruthless, unhinged mob determined to get power "by any means necessary." To quote Martin Luther King (RIP!!).

      Tremendous loss for them last week. Because of me. We got so many crooked Dems out of their luxurious offices in Washington. And all around our great Country. Very proud of what the American people did in that incredible Midterm Election. It was an Election of Kavanaugh, the Caravan, Law and Order and Common Sense. Those that worked with me, embracing certain policies and principles, did very well. Those that did not, say goodbye! Such a very Big Win, and all under the pressure of a Nasty and Hostile Media!

      I'm bringing Common Sense back to our Country. One of the assets I have is I’m able to speak to people in tremendous numbers. We have thousands of people lined up outside right now trying to get in. But I’m able to speak to them and often times it’s on live television, you understand. So I’m able to get my word out. To ENORMOUS CROWDS. The biggest crowds you've seen in your entire life. People listen to me. They "trust" me. Because I'm very very rich. And I'm making them rich. Something nobody else could do. Winning! #JobsNotMobs [twitter.com]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:35PM (#761831)

    Which is just one reason that I always report those "This guy is a paedophile and he moved into my area, let's get his face known" posts on any social media.

    That sounds like a textbook case of libel, something the victim could easily take those chattering monkeys to court for. Or would the victim not find a lawyer to take the case, because he is not a celebrity?

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by NewNic on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:43PM

    by NewNic (6420) on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:43PM (#761837) Journal
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  • (Score: 2) by legont on Thursday November 15 2018, @01:04AM

    by legont (4179) on Thursday November 15 2018, @01:04AM (#761993)

    My local news paper published a sex offender map of the area supposedly provided by police right before this Halloween.

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