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posted by mrpg on Friday November 16 2018, @02:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the not-so-many-men-are-having-children-either dept.

'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates

There has been a remarkable global decline in the number of children women are having, say researchers.

Their report found fertility rate falls meant nearly half of countries were now facing a "baby bust" - meaning there are insufficient children to maintain their population size.

The researchers said the findings were a "huge surprise".

And there would be profound consequences for societies with "more grandparents than grandchildren".


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by captain normal on Friday November 16 2018, @02:38AM (30 children)

    by captain normal (2205) on Friday November 16 2018, @02:38AM (#762479)

    To quote MDC, "You say that like it's a bad thing". Seems to me slowing the population growth is a wonderful event. Virtually all our problems are a direct result of over-population. For the last 1/2 century wise guys have been saying we should limit or birth rate to no more than 2 children per woman.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @02:58AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @02:58AM (#762491)

    don't worry the muslims are more than making up for it

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @03:15AM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @03:15AM (#762500)
      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday November 16 2018, @04:59AM (5 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday November 16 2018, @04:59AM (#762539) Journal

        That doesn't fit the narrative that guy wants, though. He wants, nay, *needs* for there to be an exponentially-growing horde of savage camel-raping clove-chewing Mahometans with their turbans and curvy swords come to ravish his wimminz!

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:53AM (#762577)

          *needs* for there to be an exponentially-growing horde of savage camel-raping clove-chewing Mahometans with their turbans and curvy swords come to ravish his wimminz!

          What other explanation is there for the decline in major Muslim countries' fertility? 'Cause I'm not hearing news of any explosion in the camel population.
          Maaaaybe in outback Australia [wikipedia.org], you reckon we'll find those savage hordes busy there?

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by driverless on Friday November 16 2018, @10:12AM (2 children)

          by driverless (4770) on Friday November 16 2018, @10:12AM (#762633)

          The technical term for it is "White Genocide Conspiracy Theory". It's totally bizarre stuff, basically the early-1900s eugenics nonsense updated for the current century. I never thought I'd encounter that one again, but it really seems to have bounced back from the dead in the last five years or so.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:22PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:22PM (#762680)

            There are a lot of people pushing for eugenics on environmentalist subs over on reddit. It seems to be a growing trend.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @05:48PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @05:48PM (#762757)

            Oh sure, "totally bizarre". As the propaganda networks globally brainwash all non whites (people of color) to ally and blame everything on whitey while sending NGO boats to bring in more rabid non whites, all while brainwashing naive whites into blaming themselves and teaching them to suck up to any non white for their "white privilege". Even the name Aryan is taught in US schools as a race made up by delusional nazis and just using the name of your (fictitious, evidently) race automatically makes you a thought criminal and "hater". Are you fucking blind?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @03:17AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @03:17AM (#762933)

          Thank you, Azuma, for your query. My 'narrative' is based on what I see in the world around me. I do not count how many muslim females I have seen with three to seven children around her. There is no point. This is what population statistics are for.

          https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=muslim+fertility+rate [wolframalpha.com]

          Niger 7.2 children per female
          Somalia 6.2 children per female
          Congo 6.1 children per female
          Mali 6.0 children per female
          Chad 5.9 children per female

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 16 2018, @03:25AM (16 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 16 2018, @03:25AM (#762506) Journal

    Let's be clear here: "growth" is not slowing. "Growth" has been reversed. The population is SHRINKING.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Friday November 16 2018, @03:45AM (15 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday November 16 2018, @03:45AM (#762512) Journal

      What population is shrinking? The United States? No. The world? No.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_future_population_(United_Nations,_medium_fertility_variant) [wikipedia.org]

      China, Indonesia, Mexico, Russia, Japan, and others are projected to get hit by the shrink ray at one time or another. But the U.S., India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Congo, Tanzania, and others will see massive growth, and the world population will hit no less than 10 billion. By the time global population begins to reverse, we'll have unprecedented mastery over fertility and artificial wombs.

      Obviously, unexpected plagues or wars could trash the projections. But which population are you identifying as shrinking?

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 16 2018, @03:54AM (8 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 16 2018, @03:54AM (#762517) Journal

        What's that word? Disingenuous? The population of the US is shrinking. That shrinking population is being offset by (mostly illegal) immigration. "Massive growth" is in store, but that will be due to colonization by other, non-US populations.

        Americans are on the way out, and Mexicans and South Americans are on their way in.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @04:05AM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @04:05AM (#762522)

          What is the fundamental difference between an American and a Mexican or South American?

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:59AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:59AM (#762578)

            What is the fundamental difference between an American and a Mexican or South American?

            Americans amass troops on the border, the Mexicans let the caravan pass and the South Americans travel in caravan.

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:10AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:10AM (#762591)

            obviously, south americans come from the south american continent, and mexicans come from the mexican continent.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:46AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:46AM (#762602)

            What is the fundamental difference between an American and a Mexican or South American?

            Hue?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @09:56AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @09:56AM (#762627)

              Chroma!

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @12:35PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @12:35PM (#762662)

                Tint!!

            • (Score: 2) by driverless on Friday November 16 2018, @10:15AM

              by driverless (4770) on Friday November 16 2018, @10:15AM (#762635)

              Due? Lue?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:15PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:15PM (#762775)

            the somewhat successful culture caucasoids have built and which is in jeopardy due to these destitute amer-indian/mongoloid hordes?

      • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Friday November 16 2018, @06:27AM (5 children)

        by Whoever (4524) on Friday November 16 2018, @06:27AM (#762571) Journal

        The population of the USA is growing only because of immigration.

        The USA needs immigrants (unless you all want to work until you die).

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @07:29AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @07:29AM (#762582)

          Agreed. I mean, look at how much enrichment is occurring in Eurabia where 80%+ of the immigrants will likely never move off of welfare. I'm sure the great replacement will go down without a hitch.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @07:50AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @07:50AM (#762587)

            OK, Putin troll, I can't speak for the whole of "Urabia" but:

            Here in the UK, immigrants are mostly NOT on benefits, they came here to work and send remittances home
            to their families who build houses back home and then they go back home to the houses - of course this takes
            over 10 years, and some end up settling here. I believe this is quite similar to what happens in most of Europe.

            What happens in the Middle East is that people sponsored by Russia and America bomb the hell out of each other,
            while those on the receiving end run away if they can.

            Your story is based on right wing fake news as found on "social" media.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:50AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:50AM (#762606)

              Are you trying to say that if Russian and American governments and proxies stopped bombing the Middle East that there would be less refugees seeking shelter in Europe?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @12:32PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @12:32PM (#762661)

                Bingo.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:45PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:45PM (#762684)

            It's easy just to take over suburbs in a western land with the same tactics used in their home countries
            If the native people object call them racists
            Raping white women is easy when white men can't defend them

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:44AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @06:44AM (#762575)

    Poor resource management isn't over population. The world isn't over populated, we just waste tons and tons of stuff we don't need to waste.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @01:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @01:28PM (#763077)

      Even an efficient first world lifestyle leads to quite a bit of waste. Unless we want to get rid of all of the conveniences of modern life, I don't see how this could be avoided. More people obviously use more resources than fewer people, assuming similar lifestyles. If we have to downgrade our lifestyles in order to avoid catastrophic effects, then we are definitely overpopulated.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Friday November 16 2018, @12:41PM (1 child)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 16 2018, @12:41PM (#762667)

    Only responsible people are limiting their growth. The rest rely on a large pool of white people (who soon won't exist) to pay taxes to fund their welfare to have more non-taxpaying kids.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @01:49PM (#762685)

      You bring up a good point. Several "white" countries including Australia and Germany are expected to have at least 20% of their population from 'overseas' people in the next five years, growing by up to 5% per year.
      It may indeed come to the point where 'white' people are the minority. What then?
      In South Africa they are killing white people now. Is this what will happen in other countries? Can we expect the "we're the majority, so you lot can just go die" line in the next 50 years or so?

      Here Lies Australia
      1788 - 2088
      Rest in Pieces

  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday November 16 2018, @06:02PM

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 16 2018, @06:02PM (#762766) Journal

    It all depends. To me, since the problem is world wide, it sounds as if the problem is caused by estrogen-mimic chemicals in the water. You could ask various amphibians about that. There are lots of other possibilities, such is limited incomes and lots of shiny to spend them on, which would result in an evolutionary pressure to desire kids more. (See "A Mote in Gods Eye".) But that doesn't fit the description, as many places have had lots of shiny for a long time. So I suspect multi-chemical poisoning at sub-detectable levels. I'd be really interested if someone else came up with a different plausible scenario.

    OTOH, this isn't all bad. The robots are coming, so the number of jobs is going to be dropping faster than the number of new workers. And Japan is already going strong in making robots to care for the elderly. They've got a ways to go, but they've got a strong reason. (They don't want to allow foreigners to become permanent residents. I don't have to like it to recognize it as strong, and at least they're not trying to export it this time.) If they're successful, this will ensure Japan's economic dominance of a rapidly growing market.

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