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on Friday November 16 2018, @02:15AM
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'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates
There has been a remarkable global decline in the number of children women are having, say researchers.
Their report found fertility rate falls meant nearly half of countries were now facing a "baby bust" - meaning there are insufficient children to maintain their population size.
The researchers said the findings were a "huge surprise".
And there would be profound consequences for societies with "more grandparents than grandchildren".
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Remember Darwin; building a better mousetrap merely results in smarter mice.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @02:55AM (9 children)
Incels are not the problem with the way divorce is structured in favor of women -- by definition those dudes have nothing to worry about. I think you may want to blame the MGTOWs but really, having found myself on the raw side of institutionalized involuntary inverse-prostitution, AKA "divorce" (the amount you have to pay to get _out_ is crazy), I envy the foresight of the MGTOWs.
Bill Burr, crass but accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gaYyNk7QA [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday November 16 2018, @09:15AM (8 children)
MGTOW might seem like a new phenomenon but renunciation of sex and marriage have been older than religion all over the world. Unfortunately, after the age of enlightenment there has been a steady increase in hatred towards celibates in the western society and I actually think that homophobia is direct outcome of such hatred. Plus there has been a steady rejection of all older knowledge that contradicts the utopian progressive dream-land. There has been very little curation of what is important and what is not during this change from agrarian to industrial society, except at the level of individual families until 1970s. Unfortunately, feminism has destroyed family as an institution too because it considers every discovered knowledge as "male-created" and part of patriarchy and its enemy. What we are seeing is the result of its success.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @01:21PM (7 children)
Where is your scientific evidence of this? Where is your scientific evidence that most people who identify as feminists even believe that?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday November 17 2018, @02:46PM (6 children)
Where is your scientific evidence of what? Success? Or that feminists want to destroy family as an institution? I will give you a chance to be as elaborate and post as difficult a question as you think I will definitely not be able to answer.
For example, scientific evidence of success of feminism in destroying family is readily available which includes divorce rates, marriage rates and TFA itself. "Where is my scientific evidence that most people who identify as feminists even believe that they have been successful?" Anybody's belief doesn't prove anything, scientific evidence does.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @04:22PM (5 children)
Where is the scientific evidence that feminists in general believe that?
And this is because of feminism?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday November 17 2018, @05:43PM (4 children)
I will pull out a card from your hat before you do, and say that there are multiple types of feminists, some of them lean and others vote for them. And there is ample evidence that the leaders of feminist movement believe what I wrote.
Are you for real? Have you heard of feminist-jurisprudence per chance, which is a compulsory subject taught in 3rd semester in many law schools? Are you aware of any other subject that is taught in law school that teaches anything contradicting feminist-jurisprudence? Hell, have you even heard of Duluth model? Are you an adult?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @08:38PM (3 children)
So, you generalized before while knowing that it was incorrect to do so? And there is ample evidence that these "leaders of the feminist movement" believe what you said above?
So you think that these things are the cause of the divorce rates, marriage rates, and fertility rates. Even assuming that is the case, what is your solution to this? How would you like the legal system to handle things?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday November 18 2018, @04:55AM (2 children)
I used it exactly like everyone and why do you expect only the critics of feminism to make any distinction anyway? That's a straw man you don't get to use.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing to what I said? Do you also want me to tell the gist of all the feminist literature without you having to slog through it yourself? Seriously, how hard is it do go a search [duckduckgo.com]?
And you don't? Or do you?
First of all, do you think this is a problem? What is your solution to this?
Let us first get to an agreement on original argument before moving the goalpost.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 18 2018, @02:23PM (1 child)
I don't.
You seem to be trying to shift the burden of proof here. I don't want to scour the Internet trying to find evidence that you may or may not accept; I can't read your mind. Cite your sources.
Neither. I just remain unconvinced either way, because this all seems to be about labels and vague terminology that has not been concretely defined.
I don't even know that it's a problem that can be solved. I was wondering if you had a solution.
Asking you what the alternatives are is hardly moving the goalpost.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Monday November 19 2018, @04:15AM
So you answer no to "Are you feminist?" You are only avoiding answering a very simple question. Or you are under delusion that you have a lot of power and the lack of clarity of question is what is stopping you.
I already did, or you didn't even bother clicking on the link.
From the first link: "Feminists have been central in criticising gender roles associated with the traditional nuclear family, especially since the 1950s." The second link: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-family/ [stanford.edu]
So you wouldn't acknowledge a burning house because you aren't clear about the terminology of the type of fire there is?
So you acknowledge that there is a problem, which is one common ground we have.
Let us first agree to work together.