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on Friday November 16 2018, @02:15AM
from the not-so-many-men-are-having-children-either dept.
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'Remarkable' decline in fertility rates
There has been a remarkable global decline in the number of children women are having, say researchers.
Their report found fertility rate falls meant nearly half of countries were now facing a "baby bust" - meaning there are insufficient children to maintain their population size.
The researchers said the findings were a "huge surprise".
And there would be profound consequences for societies with "more grandparents than grandchildren".
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Everything you know is wrong!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @07:40AM (18 children)
In general it means being able to take pride in yourself in your ability to protect and provide for those who need you. When those people no longer need you, constantly point out that you're mostly worthless, and also expect you to be their emotional dumping ground while you don't also have the same release vales, well that makes life looks more worthless and hopeless every year.
Add to that:
* Being worried about having sex with someone then them calling it rape afterwards.
* Having no say in the outcome if your birth control fails thus risking a large part of your life.
* Wondering if she just faked everything so you'd go away.
* Being required to take nearly all the risks in dating.
** Saying hi to the wrong person or in the wrong way gets you labeled as a sexual predator.
** Being expected to peruse and win the love of your mate without crossing the line into being a creep. Talk with a lot of couples and you'll often her stories similar to "Well I thought he was disgusting at first but by the 5th try I gave in and it's been wonderful every since!"
* Any interactions with kids are closely watched for anything which can be used to beat you evil man down.
* Society still thinks men should be raped in prison.
* Ball crushing is one of the earliest jokes taught to kids. Nearly all kids shows and movies demonstrate how funny it is to injure males.
* The sexual torture and abuse of male babies is still common place, somewhere around 45-52% last time I checked. There's a common stat that 1/3 of females are sexually abused. For males it's currently 3/4 in USA, but no one talks about that (or prostate cancer which is worse than breast cancer).
** Women use cream made party from foreskins to help reduce wrinkles. Knowing people cut you up as a kid (without using pain killers) so they could try to make themselves look younger and still fight to maintain the practice helps kill your hope for the future.
* Having too much energy in school gets you labeled with a medical disorder and drugged so you'll behave more like a good little girl rather than as a boy.
Ok I've started to drift off topic...
Frankly, if you're slightly risk aware and/or have some social awkwardness, it feels dangerous to interact with kids and females. If you don't overcome that by your early 20s you're lost for life. Grown men don't form new social groups nor become good friends and the longer you go without them the more socially awkward you become. Would you date someone who said he had no friends? Once you fall into a pit like that you can't get out unless someone pulls you out. Social support for men is nearly nonexistent. We don't get free housing and nobody comes to defend us. If you end up on the street it's because you deserve it and belong there.
Women have some similar issues, but they aren't as bad. Being a slut is nothing compared to being a creep. They of course have other issues too, but we're focused on men here.
It doesn't matter if males or females are causing the issues. The issues exist, the source of the issue shouldn't dictate if it should be worked on or not. The population is over 50% female, so one could argue all problems are because of women since they haven't banded together to vote for all the solutions. The women can always outvote the men. Blaming everything on females is bullshit, just like blaming it all on males is bullshit too.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @08:19AM (1 child)
Dude, you got issues. Seek professional help.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @11:00PM
You shouldn't have been modded a troll, you are right, and I am planning to get help to improve my social skills. Providing 'hard love' advice isn't trolling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @09:06AM (1 child)
Let's not forget that having "Men" and "Right" right next to each other gets you banded together with racists and/or whoever is the most evil thing right now, and the likes of Azuma participate in this on a personal level.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @10:02AM
Don't you just hate it when that happens? I mean, you form some nice movement complaining about women, Muslin, and minorities, and they call you some kind of "Men's Rights Assholenation." It's not right that straight, white, Christian males should be judged by what they think and say. The world is just too cruel! This is why I am starting a new movement, based on information from Q-Anon and Gab: The Alt-male Alt-right All-white Movement, the AAAM, or just "AA Ma'am", for short, and for if your mom wants to know what meeting you are going to.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @02:06PM
I was going to reply, but this nails it. Men want to be needed, to be useful. When you are constantly told that you are useless you start to wonder why you bother.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @02:40PM (5 children)
And who bestowed this "duty" upon men? What happens if you do not fulfill it, or even desire to?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @05:13PM (1 child)
Does it have to be a "who" at all? If so, then God. For the rest of us, evolution did that. The feeling of duty is in our DNA. For the past million years or so, men without this sense of duty were less likely to leave surviving offspring. These men would be less often chosen by women, and their children were more likely to die of conflict and starvation.
Well, you are broken. Lots of people have mal-adapted DNA, so you aren't alone. Some people have bad joints. Some people are dumb. Some people are more cancer-prone. Some people hallucinate. Some people have kidneys that don't last. Some people get seizures. Some people go blind. Some people... do not feel a duty to protect and provide, or even to have sex. Being broken is common. Evolution quickly eliminates the worst, and slowly eliminates the minor problems, while new defects randomly appear. Most of us are thus slightly broken, and a few of us are severely broken.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @12:15PM
Stop upmodding this pseudoscientific junk.
Evolution is not an entity, as you said yourself. It does not bestow duties upon people. It is a phenomenon. Using the word "duty" here is nonsensical.
Having a "feeling of duty" isn't the same as actually having a duty.
Who decided that and why are they correct? And don't say "evolution," because that leads you to the exact same problem described above.
Why do you get to decide what qualifies as "broken"? That is highly subjective. I would say that being childfree is not like any of those things, and is a lifestyle choice that is almost always immensely beneficial to the individual.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fritsd on Friday November 16 2018, @05:25PM
I think you'd be a LOT happier :-)
Unfortunately I don't know what a man has to do to change that moral viewpoint.
Maybe it's a bit lame, but I have no better ideas than to tell to the OP, try start from this and see if it helps:
1. You are a person (that's a much more neutral term than "man". "man" comes with expectations that you may need to shed some of)
2. You have the right to exist, and an intrinsic value (if you're religious you may pick up pope Francis' encyclical "laudato si" about this topic, however he states very oldfashionedly that you have to work)
3. You can never do more than your best, but you've got to do your best (wisdom from my parents)
4. Different cultures attach different values to those skills you mentioned "ability to protect" and "provide for those who need you", for men.
5. If your (sub-)culture is toxic, try to leave it for a better one. There's plenty in the world.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @05:52PM (1 child)
Then you get no nookie, your parents get no grandchildren, and somebody labels you a homo or an incel.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @12:09PM
Putting aside that some people are asexuals, this just isn't true. What about similarly childfree women/men? What about casual relationships?
You don't owe them grandchildren. They can go adopt some children if they want some so badly. But no, they just want to pressure someone else into sacrificing their time, money, freedom, and health on having children while they just get to enjoy spending time with said children occasionally.
I don't know how they'd reach either conclusion, and I don't know why anyone would care.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 16 2018, @05:27PM (2 children)
Whaaa, whaaa. Quit your whinging and man up. You sound weak and pathetic to me. Real men don't cry, they suck it up and get it done. Aren't there any real men left in the world?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @01:46AM
There are absolutely no real men here. The sting of truth makes the crybabies bury your comment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @03:02AM
This is why men are dying in Australia. They have sucked it up. They are outwardly showing to the world that they are strong. They are getting the job done.
Until they can't.
Then they die, usually by their own hand.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/09/highest-australian-suicide-rate-in-13-years-driven-by-men-aged-40-to-44 [theguardian.com]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday November 16 2018, @06:25PM (2 children)
Your post is heavily tainted by bitterness, but you're not wrong. I'd add another point to the list: men's lives are intrinsically worth less than women's, because on sinking ships it's women and children first, and when the enemy invades it's men who are expected to lay down their lives for everyone else. Me, I wouldn't hesitate to do either of those things because that is how I was raised (by a single mother). But those cultural assumptions remain while the positive places for men have been taken away. Honor and integrity and such values aren't much talked about anymore.
A few extremists have succeeded in doing all those things.
I know as a result men are miserable. They have few remaining rights when it comes to family law or workplace law; they are guilty until proven innocent. I can't say if women are more or less happy than before, but if all the men are miserable then how happy can they really be? Does having a bigger title or larger paycheck outweigh the men around you committing suicide or sinking into self-destructive behavior?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @02:57AM (1 child)
As my animal behavior prof said repeatedly and the single buck in our herd of goats shows each mating season, "Sperm is cheap."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @03:31AM
Unless going the IVR route and even then you might get the wrong sperm. [theguardian.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday November 16 2018, @06:38PM
In general it means being able to take pride in yourself in your ability to protect and provide for those who need you.
I am a man and I take pride in those things.
Have you considered that maybe it's your own victimhood mentality that's preventing you from doing the same?